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[quote=flu]…One area to also save…..
Watch your food bill. Never buy food that isn’t on sale. Change your eating habits such that you eat what’s on sale that week.

I know it’s seems ridiculous, until you notice that at your typically grocery store like Vons/Albertson/Ralph/etc, the difference between a sale item and a regular marked item is that 3x-4x more…That might not be such a big deal if you’re single. But If you’re got 2 + 3 kids to feed, that will be a big deal.

And by sale I don’t mean buying nearly expired food. I mean grocery stores regularly rotate normal food items that are discounted every week.

Now would also be a good time to give up pop and beer if that’s your thing, or at least reduce consumption of it. Not to mention, it would probably be healthier for you.[/quote]

generic vodka straight from freezer is very economical per serving especially if you get 1.75 l. Plastic jugs.

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Ahh.. no.

The group of mcat takers are all hard core students who want to get into med. School. I suspect virtually all Mcat takers do fairly serious prep before taking it.

So to be in the top 1/5 of that group is difficult. It’s a brutal curve. Everyone in Chem 101 can get a b-. Only 1 in 5 can get a 30 on the mcat. Also apparently ivy league colleges produce a disproportionate number of applicanta. So the competition is stiff

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Mcat of 30 is 80th percentile. High. Not easy.

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When I worked at a large law firm…everyone I knew had degrees from fancy undergrad…

When I worked at a public interest firm …lawyers came from schools I never even heard of…

So….

We can’t really gather our stats based on the neighbors we hang with …

Grunts in the trenches

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/1286675-the-everlasting-question-does-undergrad-school-matter.html

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[quote=Essbee]You can get into medical school from either UC or Ivy schools. It can happen from CSU, but it is statistically much less likely. Is this because the students are on average weaker, or because there is prejudice against them, or a bit of each? I don’t know the answer to that.

I can only tell you my observation that I have not met a physician colleague who went to SDSU for undergrad. I’m sure they are out there, somewhere, but they are much fewer than Ivy/Stanford/UC/other private/etc.

Californians overall are at a disadvantage compared to other states because there are just too many college age people. Probably better to attend a midwestern state school and apply to med school there in that same state. Much higher chance of success, I’d wager.

If a California high school student asks me for advice about getting into med school, I will definitely advise Ivy/Stanford/UC OR a few other certain small, private schools with name recognition. This path will give them the greatest chance of getting into a US-based, allopathic (MD-granting) medical school, if this is their goal.[/quote]

just seems like a combo of a self selecting group.

the best advice really is get a 4.0 and top MCAT score wherever you go.

but if you’re going to a top school u don’t need that advice because u already know the admissions game.

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The reality is the avg. Kid going to Cal state is not going to maintain a near 4.0 GPA and a kick as MCAT score.

But that’s not Cal state. That’s the kid

Given the size of Cal state LA 27 is a tiny no. Of apps esp. Since I vies produce 100 plus apps a year…but a Yale student transferring to Cal state could do it.

Csu to med school thread…

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/can-csu-students-get-into-medical-school-in-california.725625/

Of course it can be done…

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How many applicants from CSULA gain acceptance to a US medical school?
A: Since 2005, an average of 27 CSULA students applied to medical school each year using HCAO services. Of those students, 48% gained admission to medical school. In contrast, the national average rate of acceptance to US medical schools from 2008-2010 was only 45%.
Q: Where do CSULA students go to medical school?
A: The University of California Medical Schools are the most popular choices with 23% of CSULA students choosing to attend either UCLA, UC Irvine, UCSD, UC Davis or UCSF. Additional programs recently chosen include: Albany Medical College, Creighton University, Drexel University, Duke University, Georgetown University, Loma Linda University, Meharry Medical College, Michigan State University, New York Medical College, Northwestern University, Pennsylvania State, Rosalind Franklin, Temple University, The University of Miami, Tufts University, Tulane University, University of Cincinnati, University of Iowa, University of Kentucky, University of Nebraska, University of Pennsylvania, University of Pittsburgh, University of Southern California, Wake Forest University, Wayne State University, Western University of Health Sciences.

Cal state Los Angeles website

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I know schools lie about stats but the Web page from cal state San Francisco claims 85 perc. Of its students get accepted to some med school.

In fact I assume schools lie.

But I bet their true acceptance rate is well in excess of zero. Kids would be suing…

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[quote=svelte][quote=Essbee]You can get into medical school from either UC or Ivy schools. It can happen from CSU, but it is statistically much less likely. Is this because the students are on average weaker, or because there is prejudice against them, or a bit of each? I don’t know the answer to that.
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Those aren’t the only potential reasons. It could be that those who want to become medical doctors tend to start out at the schools where they can continue their education past the undergraduate years.

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I can only tell you my observation that I have not met a physician colleague who went to SDSU for undergrad. I’m sure they are out there, somewhere, but they are much fewer than Ivy/Stanford/UC/other private/etc.
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You appear to be right about that:

https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/86042/table2.html

And also…where doctors get their medical degrees:

https://www.aamc.org/download/321532/data/factstable27-2.pdf%5B/quote%5D

Not sure about the chart. Only list school providing 100 plus applicants. Minority apps come from lower ranked schools.

Doesn’t have actual admissions.

Yale might provide more apps with lower yield.

Could be fewer people at can state can ace the meat and keep up high gpa…and therefore don’t apply…but doesn’t mean the Yale name gave them the higher gpa and meat score. Just means the type of person who was going to do that was more likely to apply and they would’ve aced it anyway…

Applications are just indicators of a combo of desires and ones own perception one will be admitted

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Working your ass off doesn’t make you smarter. But it will get the recognition for your hard work.

I coasted through school. In hindsight, I should’ve worked much harder. But I was kinda busy having fun.

I’ve learned that if you want to be smart, you need proof that you’re smart. Society wants objective measures. Therefore, no way a guy who goes to SDSU can be as smart as someone who attends Harvard. I don’t care how much money the SDSU guy ends up making.[/quote]

Ugh.

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I’m guessing you know tt alma maters of a couple dozen docs at most. Sheeshh.

The advice is just absurd without real ststs, like saying I know someone who got autism after a vaccine.

Facts. Facts!!! Not I know some docs and the all went to such and such a schol.

What percent of applicants get in?

What’s the min. Cutoff meat score?

What role do interviews play?

Facts!!! Not anecdotes..

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[quote=AN][quote=flu]So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.[/quote]You didn’t say where they went to school… I totally agree with you about those criteria and those would be mine too.[/quote]

All very nice. But how does this help the doc financially???

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Look, everyone wants the “best”.  If I need a doctor, I want the doc who knows what’s up, and the good schooling is an apparent indicator of that.  And with my kid, of course, I want what ‘best” for him, and it feels like one is closing doors by not going with the “best”.  But I submit to you that what is ‘best’ is often not so apparent on the surface, and is more of the whole package, not just the prestige.  It’s like saying the best wife is the most beautiful wife, because, well, look at her, she’s gorgeous.  That is obviously poor planning.  The best solution to any problem is multifaceted, generally involves monetary considerations, and is sometimes counterintuitive. 

 

People from cal state, and other state schools across this great nation of ours get in to medical schools every day.  And they make as much or more money than their more heavily indebted counterparts.

 

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If your serious problem involves family or criminal law (most problrms) and you pick your lawyer based on his law schools ranking you are not gonna find the better lawyer.

I know the top dollar go to lawyers for real world problems and lically, they didn’t go to the best school.

Corporate type law, different story of course

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Ummm. Hmmm.

Extremely unpersuasive anecdotal evidence from a very limited sample of doctors.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/too-poor-for-formal-post-bac.217508/

interesting chat group with real world type people trying to keep expenses down and get in to med school with a wider range of results.

Real people go to decent med schools from cal state

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