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March 19, 2018 at 11:19 AM in reply to: The stock market is tanking, we should be happy right???? #809691
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Participantwhen they can program a computer to logically analyze whether a given set of facts contains “reasonable doubt”, let me know.
the boundaries are constrained by laws, but within the boundaries, emotions rule.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Too many emotions. Evolution has not kept up the technology.
Emotions don’t results in good outcomes. The Greek knew it and that’s why they values reason. You clearly see it in architecture. Houses that are well designed using reason actually result in better wellbeing and emotional contentment.
Isn’t the law about reason and intellect?[/quote]
The life of the law has not been logic; it has been experience… The law embodies the story of a nation’s development through many centuries, and it cannot be dealt with as if it contained only the axioms and corollaries of a book of mathematics.Oliver Wendell holmes, 1880s.
Participantthe cosmic equivalent of BUY NOW OR BE SHUT OUT FOREVER
Participant[quote=flyer]As has been discussed, the prosperity gospel is definitely big business but, according to the terms of most organized religions, you don’t receive the benefits without complying with the terms, so, per that premise, taking advantage of the benefits may or may not work out work out for those who don’t comply with the terms.
Personally, I find no reason or need to argue about it one way or the other–as none of us will really know until after we take that last breath–and, perhaps, not even then. In the meantime–enjoy![/quote]
I don’t know. it’s pretty risky to not believe…
“Pascal’s Wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).[2]
Pascal’s Wager was based on the idea of the Christian God, though similar arguments have occurred in other religious traditions. The original wager was set out in section 233 of Pascal’s posthumously published Pensées (“Thoughts”). These previously unpublished notes were assembled to form an incomplete treatise on Christian apologetics.
Historically, Pascal’s Wager was groundbreaking because it charted new territory in probability theory,[3] marked the first formal use of decision theory, and anticipated future philosophies such as existentialism, pragmatism
The Wager uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):
God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.
A Game is being played… where heads or tails will turn up.
You must wager (it is not optional).
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (…) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
But some cannot believe. They should then ‘at least learn your inability to believe…’ and ‘Endeavour then to convince’ themselves.”Participant[quote=gzz]You tell young lawyers to sound like radio preachers? Few problems with this advice:
1 Most young lawyers don’t get to speak in court 2. Median age of a judge is about 70. You have to speak Loudly and Clearly. 3. If you start speaking quickly cause the Holy Spirit has got into you, the court reporter will tell you to slow down. 4. Majority of judges interrupt you before you get out two sentences.[/quote]listen to Christian radio. absorb. adapt.
it’s a perspective.facts don’t persuade.
feelings persuade.
“i’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”
Maya Angeloupeople look to how strongly you believe what you are saying. if you don’t believe in it, no one will believe in you.
“the good lawyer is not the man who has an eye to every side and angle of contingency, and qualifies all his qualifications, but who throws himself on your part so heartily, that he can get you out of a scrape.”
ralph Waldo emerson.
imagine this. Christian radio transcribed and read by your dullest college professor, the one that made your eyes Cross within 2 minutes, even when you really truly wanted to listen. .
same exact message.
no one believes. or even actually hears it, except the proverbial choir. it seems to invite more questions than it answers.
be more like jack hibbs in WHATEVER message you sell…not boring. what makes someone not boring in their persuasive pitch?
the style IMO needs to be this: the message feels urgent, of extreme importance and you believe this message with the core of your being.
Participantwe can do better, publicity wise. maybe something antigay behavior. that’s popular in Calvary chapel I think….what about
Homo Hellfire.
The Sodomites
jesus hates Sodomy.
HOMOSICK [I like this one)
the antihomos.ParticipantSo this might sound a little odd but although I am a hardcore atheist, I listen to A LOT of Christian radio, always in my car, always when im riding to or from work. I LOVE CHRISTIAN RADIO. I love hearing preachers. not crappy local guys. bbig league heavy hitters.
It gets me fired up. I have listened to Christian radio for over ten years, and I recommend Christian radio to all young attorneys, and really anyone who does public speaking. I have my own style, but its based off many years of listening to these guys. I believe that the way they speak is the way to address groups of people in large groups when trying to persuade them. Intensity, absolute belief in your message, great pacing, soft, loud, stop go, building, letting go, ham it up, scream, cry, fall deathly silent, howl, it’s like a beautiful sexual episode.
Coincidentally (although with G-d there are no “coincidences” I was listening to jack Hibbs of calvarry chapel on the way home today. He’s far from my favorite, but, not terrible. Just not strong enough for me. He seems like he’s not 100% in, at least to me (he appears to be suffering from medical problems, per the internet).
Anyway, his program today on 88.1 was WHO TOLD YOU YOU’RE GOING TO HEAVEN? Man he had his people going. They loved him. Apparently, you need to know that lots of Christians who believe in G-d and do all the right things and pray constantly and read their bible and love Jesus ARE GOING TO HELL. The only way to get to heaven is to be BORN AGAIN. Huh. There you have it/ heaven has an HOA I guess, or at least some restrictive covenants. No one’s getting any real estate there unless BORN AGAIN. Not sure if shell companies can buy up lots thereon spec for others, or what the deal is re investment properties.
If you need to speak to a group, ALWAYS S put on Christian radio to get psyched up. Those guys KNOW how to SELL IT. I owe them a debt of gratitude, attitude and beatitude. [powerful groupings of 3 words repeated can work nice].
Participantsure.
but maybe we should gentrify an up and coming heaven, maybe a growing cult? go in on a duplex together? might be better longterm. everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. heaven real Estate investing is not for sissies
Participantbelieve me, if the people I know are the same dopes i meet in heaven, they’ll still be vying to exist eternally in the best zip codes in heaven.
ParticipantI like purgatory. you can be an asshole all your life and clean up the mess post mortem.
if i were going to go Christian, id definitely go Catholic. it’s the oddest one. always go with the original. copies won’t cut it.
seems best for lawyers, too. lots of rules to argue. I like the Pope. also catholicism might possibly be only way into heaven. but we can argue about that on Catholic chat groups later…
Participantnot looking good for purgatory. Stephen is so screwed now.
Role in relation to sin Edit
In addition to accepting the states of heaven and hell, Catholicism envisages a third state before being admitted to heaven. According to Catholic doctrine, some souls are not sufficiently free from the temporal effects of sin and its consequences to enter the state of heaven immediately, nor are they so sinful and hateful of Christ as to be destined for hell either.[29] Such souls, ultimately destined to be united with God in heaven, must first be cleansed through purgatory – a state of purification.[30] Through purgatory, souls “achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.”[31] The Church makes a distinction between mortal sin, which incurs both temporal punishment and eternal punishment, and venial sin, which incurs only temporal punishment.[32] Mortal sin is a “sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.”[32] “If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back.”[32]In contrast, venial sin (meaning “forgivable” sin) “does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God”[33] and, although still “constituting a moral disorder,”[34] does not deprive the sinner of friendship with God or the eternal happiness of heaven.[33] However, since venial sin weakens charity, manifests a disordered affection for created goods, and impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good, it merits temporal punishment.[33]
The Church notes that purification from our sinful tendencies can occur during life. The situation has been compared to that of someone who needs to be cleansed of any addiction. As from any addiction, rehabilitation from the “disordered affection for created goods” will be a gradual and probably painful process. It can be advanced during life by voluntary self-mortification and penance and by deeds of generosity that show love of God rather than of creatures. After death, a cleansing process can be recognized as a still necessary preparation for entering the divine presence.[35]
ParticipantI doubt G-d will have pity on him just cause of the wheelchair and ALS. mock the creator, and suffer. but who am I to judge? perhaps purgatory shall suffice.
Participant[quote=outtamojo][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=outtamojo][quote=njtosd][quote=outtamojo]
What kind of person would be able to fully enjoy themselves in Heaven knowing that the other half of humanity, even people they knew or cared about was being tortured in Hell?[/quote]
Maybe Heaven is the ability to forget that there are any bad things anywhere. Like being a squirrel. No knowledge that there was a time before you, no knowledge that there will be a time after you, no knowledge that there is a hawk’s nest above your burrow, general enjoyment of acorns and other squirrels.[/quote]
Like in one of my fav’s Childhood’s End.[/quote]
aren’t prey animals like squirrels generally anxious and, well, squirrelly?[/quote]
Yeah but somehow that squirrel became something different when it went to Heaven. That squirrel has somehow forgotten about the other squirrels that didn’t make it to heaven and all the predators that used to terrify it. Does the squirrel even know who it used to be? Stripped of its past programming is it even the same squirrel? It’s probably some kind of stepford zombie squirrel too dumb to even wonder how it got there.[/quote]
without all my cares. with no desire. without my struggle. or any uncertainty.
would I even be recognizable as me?
I’m bound together by fear.
Participantin heaven they play TALKING HEADS,all eternity long…
weird. it’s from 1978, haven’t heard that album since early 80s, but I can still hear that song playing clear in my mind.
Everyone is trying
To get to the bar
The name of the bar
The bar is called heaven
The band in heaven
They play my favorite song
Play it one more time
Play it all night long
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
There is a party
Everyone is there
Everyone will leave
At exactly the same time
It’s hard to imagine that
Nothing at all
Could be so exciting
Could be this much fun
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
When this kiss is over
It will start again
It will not be any different
It will be exactly the same
It’s hard to imagine
That nothing at all
Could be so exciting
Could be this much fun
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing
Nothing ever happens
Heaven
Heaven is a place
A place where nothing -
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