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Participant[quote=sdrealtor]It sounds like you found what you want. If not, the new homes next to Copperwood should be much less and the kids will be able to walk or bike to pool. Of course that will likely be at least 12 years in the future for you. For me the icing would be family close by and my wife’s family business close by also. One last thing to consider about Del Sur is that it is the kind of community that will attract mobile young families who will move in and out with startling regularity. I live in one of the most stable communities around and have seen my son lose multiple friends to relocation. I would expect more of that in Del Sur. While your neighbors will come and go, your family is forever. Dont minimize that consideration.[/quote]
While we found something that attracts us to buy, the availability gives us time to consider as well as my priggish/piggeshness (not my wife so much).
As any discriminating buyer, we are concerned with turnover of neighbors, but you seem to say that even though you have lived in a stable neighborhood (indeed in my backyard right?), you have seen your children go through this? I think it’s important to instill stability in the early years and prepare children for change upon teenage years (as we force them into private school). We think Del Sur can provide that early foundation.
To be honest sdr, we didn’t have a clear plan before and are still trying to formulate one. A year ago, I never thought I would actually want a home east of Rancho Santa Fe rather than actually in Rancho Santa Fe (if I could afford it). But the reality comes down to, “what is the best neighborhood for my children?” (yet to be born) and I am still looking for someone to tell me that anywhere in San Diego offers this better than this little nook of Del Sur we are looking at.
Simply put, someone tell me a better place for toddlers and elementary school kids than Del Sur? Where they can walk outside, play together, and walk to school?
[quote=sdrealtor]While your neighbors will come and go, your family is forever. Don’t minimize that consideration.[/quote] I love this quote :-).
We’re not losing family here though, we’re ready to make one. We both work on the coast (Del Mar/Encinitas)…the drive through Rancho San Dieguito is quite nice.
C’mon guys, if I can talk y’all down, it sounds like we should buy? No? ;-).
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]It sounds like you found what you want. If not, the new homes next to Copperwood should be much less and the kids will be able to walk or bike to pool. Of course that will likely be at least 12 years in the future for you. For me the icing would be family close by and my wife’s family business close by also. One last thing to consider about Del Sur is that it is the kind of community that will attract mobile young families who will move in and out with startling regularity. I live in one of the most stable communities around and have seen my son lose multiple friends to relocation. I would expect more of that in Del Sur. While your neighbors will come and go, your family is forever. Dont minimize that consideration.[/quote]
While we found something that attracts us to buy, the availability gives us time to consider as well as my priggish/piggeshness (not my wife so much).
As any discriminating buyer, we are concerned with turnover of neighbors, but you seem to say that even though you have lived in a stable neighborhood (indeed in my backyard right?), you have seen your children go through this? I think it’s important to instill stability in the early years and prepare children for change upon teenage years (as we force them into private school). We think Del Sur can provide that early foundation.
To be honest sdr, we didn’t have a clear plan before and are still trying to formulate one. A year ago, I never thought I would actually want a home east of Rancho Santa Fe rather than actually in Rancho Santa Fe (if I could afford it). But the reality comes down to, “what is the best neighborhood for my children?” (yet to be born) and I am still looking for someone to tell me that anywhere in San Diego offers this better than this little nook of Del Sur we are looking at.
Simply put, someone tell me a better place for toddlers and elementary school kids than Del Sur? Where they can walk outside, play together, and walk to school?
[quote=sdrealtor]While your neighbors will come and go, your family is forever. Don’t minimize that consideration.[/quote] I love this quote :-).
We’re not losing family here though, we’re ready to make one. We both work on the coast (Del Mar/Encinitas)…the drive through Rancho San Dieguito is quite nice.
C’mon guys, if I can talk y’all down, it sounds like we should buy? No? ;-).
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdr, can you tell us if the new (Carlsbad?) dev. to be built by Pulte or the existing high-priced Copperwood Dev. viewed by pjwal lies within a MR Community Facilities District??
If so, these bonds go up with every new development, due to increasing construction costs. IMO, this is a HUGE negative financial repercussion to think about, pjwal, if you leave your old (seemingly decent) ‘hood in order to buy into new construction.[/quote]
The Copperwood MR was pretty low and the HOA $276 I believe. I guess there is very nice community facility with a pool we were not able to see. The Rockledge community will have access to this as well, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with my kids crossing Rancho Santa Fe road everytime to use it. We were astonished by the model homes in Copperwood, but I know that the neighborhood makeup of Del Sur is more of what we’re looking for simply because of the price of the Copperwood homes (also, it didn’t help seeing a childless couple, man in 50’s, woman in 20’s picking where all the flatscreen TV’s were going to go).
I don’t know, I guess what it really comes down to is that we simply want our kids to open their front door to a park and play with the neighbors, in a safe place and walk to school together. The next few phases of Madiera actually offer lots with a sidewalk between a park in front of your house. What am I missing here? We can’t “remodel” the cement out of our driveway and street of current home.
Again, please talk us out of it ;-).
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdr, can you tell us if the new (Carlsbad?) dev. to be built by Pulte or the existing high-priced Copperwood Dev. viewed by pjwal lies within a MR Community Facilities District??
If so, these bonds go up with every new development, due to increasing construction costs. IMO, this is a HUGE negative financial repercussion to think about, pjwal, if you leave your old (seemingly decent) ‘hood in order to buy into new construction.[/quote]
The Copperwood MR was pretty low and the HOA $276 I believe. I guess there is very nice community facility with a pool we were not able to see. The Rockledge community will have access to this as well, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with my kids crossing Rancho Santa Fe road everytime to use it. We were astonished by the model homes in Copperwood, but I know that the neighborhood makeup of Del Sur is more of what we’re looking for simply because of the price of the Copperwood homes (also, it didn’t help seeing a childless couple, man in 50’s, woman in 20’s picking where all the flatscreen TV’s were going to go).
I don’t know, I guess what it really comes down to is that we simply want our kids to open their front door to a park and play with the neighbors, in a safe place and walk to school together. The next few phases of Madiera actually offer lots with a sidewalk between a park in front of your house. What am I missing here? We can’t “remodel” the cement out of our driveway and street of current home.
Again, please talk us out of it ;-).
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdr, can you tell us if the new (Carlsbad?) dev. to be built by Pulte or the existing high-priced Copperwood Dev. viewed by pjwal lies within a MR Community Facilities District??
If so, these bonds go up with every new development, due to increasing construction costs. IMO, this is a HUGE negative financial repercussion to think about, pjwal, if you leave your old (seemingly decent) ‘hood in order to buy into new construction.[/quote]
The Copperwood MR was pretty low and the HOA $276 I believe. I guess there is very nice community facility with a pool we were not able to see. The Rockledge community will have access to this as well, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with my kids crossing Rancho Santa Fe road everytime to use it. We were astonished by the model homes in Copperwood, but I know that the neighborhood makeup of Del Sur is more of what we’re looking for simply because of the price of the Copperwood homes (also, it didn’t help seeing a childless couple, man in 50’s, woman in 20’s picking where all the flatscreen TV’s were going to go).
I don’t know, I guess what it really comes down to is that we simply want our kids to open their front door to a park and play with the neighbors, in a safe place and walk to school together. The next few phases of Madiera actually offer lots with a sidewalk between a park in front of your house. What am I missing here? We can’t “remodel” the cement out of our driveway and street of current home.
Again, please talk us out of it ;-).
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdr, can you tell us if the new (Carlsbad?) dev. to be built by Pulte or the existing high-priced Copperwood Dev. viewed by pjwal lies within a MR Community Facilities District??
If so, these bonds go up with every new development, due to increasing construction costs. IMO, this is a HUGE negative financial repercussion to think about, pjwal, if you leave your old (seemingly decent) ‘hood in order to buy into new construction.[/quote]
The Copperwood MR was pretty low and the HOA $276 I believe. I guess there is very nice community facility with a pool we were not able to see. The Rockledge community will have access to this as well, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with my kids crossing Rancho Santa Fe road everytime to use it. We were astonished by the model homes in Copperwood, but I know that the neighborhood makeup of Del Sur is more of what we’re looking for simply because of the price of the Copperwood homes (also, it didn’t help seeing a childless couple, man in 50’s, woman in 20’s picking where all the flatscreen TV’s were going to go).
I don’t know, I guess what it really comes down to is that we simply want our kids to open their front door to a park and play with the neighbors, in a safe place and walk to school together. The next few phases of Madiera actually offer lots with a sidewalk between a park in front of your house. What am I missing here? We can’t “remodel” the cement out of our driveway and street of current home.
Again, please talk us out of it ;-).
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]sdr, can you tell us if the new (Carlsbad?) dev. to be built by Pulte or the existing high-priced Copperwood Dev. viewed by pjwal lies within a MR Community Facilities District??
If so, these bonds go up with every new development, due to increasing construction costs. IMO, this is a HUGE negative financial repercussion to think about, pjwal, if you leave your old (seemingly decent) ‘hood in order to buy into new construction.[/quote]
The Copperwood MR was pretty low and the HOA $276 I believe. I guess there is very nice community facility with a pool we were not able to see. The Rockledge community will have access to this as well, but I wouldn’t be comfortable with my kids crossing Rancho Santa Fe road everytime to use it. We were astonished by the model homes in Copperwood, but I know that the neighborhood makeup of Del Sur is more of what we’re looking for simply because of the price of the Copperwood homes (also, it didn’t help seeing a childless couple, man in 50’s, woman in 20’s picking where all the flatscreen TV’s were going to go).
I don’t know, I guess what it really comes down to is that we simply want our kids to open their front door to a park and play with the neighbors, in a safe place and walk to school together. The next few phases of Madiera actually offer lots with a sidewalk between a park in front of your house. What am I missing here? We can’t “remodel” the cement out of our driveway and street of current home.
Again, please talk us out of it ;-).
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
That road you speak of – is it Artesian? There are coded gates on both sides so either you need a gate code or need to wait for someone to drive through.
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Yes, it is gated with a key code, but we have a couple of relatives that live in the area. ;-).
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
Del sur is supposed to have retail closer to 4s. The builder of Maybeck in 4s is building some in del sur and in their sales office they had a model of the entire del sur plan. Go check that out. The only thing that I heard was scraped was the golf course.[/quote]Are you speaking of Pasado just east of Paseo Del Sur? We did look at those models, but not much comes standard and and the layouts were blah. We prefer the Shea builder (although the on site realtors are very pleasant at Pasado). Also, we like the coziness of the nook between Camino Del Sur and Paseo Del Sur. Pasado isn’t built out as much and I’m sure it will be a great nearby neighborhood as well though.
We did see the overall master plan that they have in the visitor center of Del Sur. It’ll be interesting to see the neighborhood that’s supposedly going to be built onto the peninsula over the canyon east of Pasado. Some of the homes are bound to have great views.
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
That road you speak of – is it Artesian? There are coded gates on both sides so either you need a gate code or need to wait for someone to drive through.
[/quote]
Yes, it is gated with a key code, but we have a couple of relatives that live in the area. ;-).
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
Del sur is supposed to have retail closer to 4s. The builder of Maybeck in 4s is building some in del sur and in their sales office they had a model of the entire del sur plan. Go check that out. The only thing that I heard was scraped was the golf course.[/quote]Are you speaking of Pasado just east of Paseo Del Sur? We did look at those models, but not much comes standard and and the layouts were blah. We prefer the Shea builder (although the on site realtors are very pleasant at Pasado). Also, we like the coziness of the nook between Camino Del Sur and Paseo Del Sur. Pasado isn’t built out as much and I’m sure it will be a great nearby neighborhood as well though.
We did see the overall master plan that they have in the visitor center of Del Sur. It’ll be interesting to see the neighborhood that’s supposedly going to be built onto the peninsula over the canyon east of Pasado. Some of the homes are bound to have great views.
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
That road you speak of – is it Artesian? There are coded gates on both sides so either you need a gate code or need to wait for someone to drive through.
[/quote]
Yes, it is gated with a key code, but we have a couple of relatives that live in the area. ;-).
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
Del sur is supposed to have retail closer to 4s. The builder of Maybeck in 4s is building some in del sur and in their sales office they had a model of the entire del sur plan. Go check that out. The only thing that I heard was scraped was the golf course.[/quote]Are you speaking of Pasado just east of Paseo Del Sur? We did look at those models, but not much comes standard and and the layouts were blah. We prefer the Shea builder (although the on site realtors are very pleasant at Pasado). Also, we like the coziness of the nook between Camino Del Sur and Paseo Del Sur. Pasado isn’t built out as much and I’m sure it will be a great nearby neighborhood as well though.
We did see the overall master plan that they have in the visitor center of Del Sur. It’ll be interesting to see the neighborhood that’s supposedly going to be built onto the peninsula over the canyon east of Pasado. Some of the homes are bound to have great views.
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
That road you speak of – is it Artesian? There are coded gates on both sides so either you need a gate code or need to wait for someone to drive through.
[/quote]
Yes, it is gated with a key code, but we have a couple of relatives that live in the area. ;-).
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
Del sur is supposed to have retail closer to 4s. The builder of Maybeck in 4s is building some in del sur and in their sales office they had a model of the entire del sur plan. Go check that out. The only thing that I heard was scraped was the golf course.[/quote]Are you speaking of Pasado just east of Paseo Del Sur? We did look at those models, but not much comes standard and and the layouts were blah. We prefer the Shea builder (although the on site realtors are very pleasant at Pasado). Also, we like the coziness of the nook between Camino Del Sur and Paseo Del Sur. Pasado isn’t built out as much and I’m sure it will be a great nearby neighborhood as well though.
We did see the overall master plan that they have in the visitor center of Del Sur. It’ll be interesting to see the neighborhood that’s supposedly going to be built onto the peninsula over the canyon east of Pasado. Some of the homes are bound to have great views.
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
That road you speak of – is it Artesian? There are coded gates on both sides so either you need a gate code or need to wait for someone to drive through.
[/quote]
Yes, it is gated with a key code, but we have a couple of relatives that live in the area. ;-).
[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]
Del sur is supposed to have retail closer to 4s. The builder of Maybeck in 4s is building some in del sur and in their sales office they had a model of the entire del sur plan. Go check that out. The only thing that I heard was scraped was the golf course.[/quote]Are you speaking of Pasado just east of Paseo Del Sur? We did look at those models, but not much comes standard and and the layouts were blah. We prefer the Shea builder (although the on site realtors are very pleasant at Pasado). Also, we like the coziness of the nook between Camino Del Sur and Paseo Del Sur. Pasado isn’t built out as much and I’m sure it will be a great nearby neighborhood as well though.
We did see the overall master plan that they have in the visitor center of Del Sur. It’ll be interesting to see the neighborhood that’s supposedly going to be built onto the peninsula over the canyon east of Pasado. Some of the homes are bound to have great views.
ParticipantJust a follow up if anyone is interested. We did look at SEH and, while we like a couple of the neighborhoods, we were really taken aback by all the bank owned empty houses in those areas. I think the empty 1+ million housing models on the hill (where the developer went bankrupt) speaks volumes for the area. We do have a couple friends that live in SEH and don’t doubt it would be a good quality of life overall, but in comparison to what we have, we don’t think it would be the right move.
4S Ranch has really nice models and we like the landscape of the surrounding hills, but the distance and the feeling of being so tucked away coupled with the higher price make us feel, again that selling what we have would not be the right move.
We looked at La Costa Rockledge as well and were not happy with the noise that rises up from Rancho Santa Fe Rd (although the models try to hide it with the backyard fountains). Perhaps because there aren’t many houses there yet, we could not get a sense for the young family feel we are looking for.
As a side note, since we were right across the street, we peeked through the unaffordable Copperwood models (is that bad form?) and were very impressed. Blown away by the openness of the downstairs. The power lines are very present on the south side of the neighborhood but aren’t an issue for most of the residences, unless there is some negativity regarding the presence of power lines a block or two away in general that I do not know about?
So, that leads us to the only development we are still considering versus staying in our current home: Madiera in Del Sur. We’ve driven through 4 or 5 times now and have seen the models twice, once with our broker (aka, mom). There was concern for increasing the distance to parents, but there is actually a back street up to Rancho SF where they are and the distance (remarkably enough) is exactly the same from where we are now. We love the models, love the earth tone colors of the neighborhood, love the high tech elementary school our kids could walk to, like the Shea Homes company, and love the young family makeup and neighborhood feeling the nook of Madiera/Bridgewalk provide.
I am personally concerned about another dip the market might take, but we are not in any rush and are governed by the availability of new homes in this development anyhow. Do any of you more market savvy folk have any thoughts on the effect the future may have in Del Sur and, additionally, our home in Rancho Ponderosa as well? Maybe it was just the timing of the Del Sur development, but we have seen maybe one or two houses in Del Sur that were bank owned and very few for resale (overpriced). Also, I am still very interested in people’s thoughts on our situation. Are we still crazy?
Cheers,
~PaulParticipantJust a follow up if anyone is interested. We did look at SEH and, while we like a couple of the neighborhoods, we were really taken aback by all the bank owned empty houses in those areas. I think the empty 1+ million housing models on the hill (where the developer went bankrupt) speaks volumes for the area. We do have a couple friends that live in SEH and don’t doubt it would be a good quality of life overall, but in comparison to what we have, we don’t think it would be the right move.
4S Ranch has really nice models and we like the landscape of the surrounding hills, but the distance and the feeling of being so tucked away coupled with the higher price make us feel, again that selling what we have would not be the right move.
We looked at La Costa Rockledge as well and were not happy with the noise that rises up from Rancho Santa Fe Rd (although the models try to hide it with the backyard fountains). Perhaps because there aren’t many houses there yet, we could not get a sense for the young family feel we are looking for.
As a side note, since we were right across the street, we peeked through the unaffordable Copperwood models (is that bad form?) and were very impressed. Blown away by the openness of the downstairs. The power lines are very present on the south side of the neighborhood but aren’t an issue for most of the residences, unless there is some negativity regarding the presence of power lines a block or two away in general that I do not know about?
So, that leads us to the only development we are still considering versus staying in our current home: Madiera in Del Sur. We’ve driven through 4 or 5 times now and have seen the models twice, once with our broker (aka, mom). There was concern for increasing the distance to parents, but there is actually a back street up to Rancho SF where they are and the distance (remarkably enough) is exactly the same from where we are now. We love the models, love the earth tone colors of the neighborhood, love the high tech elementary school our kids could walk to, like the Shea Homes company, and love the young family makeup and neighborhood feeling the nook of Madiera/Bridgewalk provide.
I am personally concerned about another dip the market might take, but we are not in any rush and are governed by the availability of new homes in this development anyhow. Do any of you more market savvy folk have any thoughts on the effect the future may have in Del Sur and, additionally, our home in Rancho Ponderosa as well? Maybe it was just the timing of the Del Sur development, but we have seen maybe one or two houses in Del Sur that were bank owned and very few for resale (overpriced). Also, I am still very interested in people’s thoughts on our situation. Are we still crazy?
Cheers,
~Paul -
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