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[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=air_ogi]Yes, how dare I discriminate based on scientific credentials. Maybe we should ask Rush Limbaugh for his opinion.

China produces 1/3 of CO2 per capita US. India produces 1/10 of CO2 per capita as US.

EU introduced cap and trade in 2005 and had reduction in unemployment by 21% (from 8.9% to 7%) by 2008. I am not claiming that it was due to cap and trade, but your claim that cap and trade is economy destroyer is not grounded in fact. [/quote]

air_ogi, let’s suppose a country with a population of 100 people is confronted with two alternatives:

1. Produce 10 times as much pollution per capita as the USA, or

2. Produce 1/10 as much pollution per capita as the USA

Does it matter much for the world at large what that country does?

Of course not. It is interesting to note the per capita numbers, but what really matters is the total amount of pollution.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=Veritas]My first choice is honesty and intelligence. Both trump accomplishment….[/quote]

To each his own. I’d vote for Nixon over Carter. Carter would make a much better friend and colleague and trustee of my estate, and someone to like and trust etc. For me that’s all important but second fiddle to the main needs of the top job.

[patientrenter]

[quote=peterb]Typical govt. Close the barn door after all the animals have left. This does give the illusion like they’re trying to help. But now that so many are well beyond having 125% of value help them out, it’s really a political move to look helpful. [/quote]

I disagree. If you throw money at something, it doesn’t all come back. This particular action will funnel some real money into supporting higher home prices.

We keep putting our heads in the sand saying that all the govt money will have no real impact. The govt money funneled into housing in the last 2 years has reached many trillions. More is going in. It has already had an impact. It is having an impact now. It will continue to have an impact. It is the largest government fiscal action since WW2.

[patientrenter]

[quote=peterb]Typical govt. Close the barn door after all the animals have left. This does give the illusion like they’re trying to help. But now that so many are well beyond having 125% of value help them out, it’s really a political move to look helpful. [/quote]

I disagree. If you throw money at something, it doesn’t all come back. This particular action will funnel some real money into supporting higher home prices.

We keep putting our heads in the sand saying that all the govt money will have no real impact. The govt money funneled into housing in the last 2 years has reached many trillions. More is going in. It has already had an impact. It is having an impact now. It will continue to have an impact. It is the largest government fiscal action since WW2.

[patientrenter]

[quote=peterb]Typical govt. Close the barn door after all the animals have left. This does give the illusion like they’re trying to help. But now that so many are well beyond having 125% of value help them out, it’s really a political move to look helpful. [/quote]

I disagree. If you throw money at something, it doesn’t all come back. This particular action will funnel some real money into supporting higher home prices.

We keep putting our heads in the sand saying that all the govt money will have no real impact. The govt money funneled into housing in the last 2 years has reached many trillions. More is going in. It has already had an impact. It is having an impact now. It will continue to have an impact. It is the largest government fiscal action since WW2.

[patientrenter]

[quote=peterb]Typical govt. Close the barn door after all the animals have left. This does give the illusion like they’re trying to help. But now that so many are well beyond having 125% of value help them out, it’s really a political move to look helpful. [/quote]

I disagree. If you throw money at something, it doesn’t all come back. This particular action will funnel some real money into supporting higher home prices.

We keep putting our heads in the sand saying that all the govt money will have no real impact. The govt money funneled into housing in the last 2 years has reached many trillions. More is going in. It has already had an impact. It is having an impact now. It will continue to have an impact. It is the largest government fiscal action since WW2.

[patientrenter]

[quote=peterb]Typical govt. Close the barn door after all the animals have left. This does give the illusion like they’re trying to help. But now that so many are well beyond having 125% of value help them out, it’s really a political move to look helpful. [/quote]

I disagree. If you throw money at something, it doesn’t all come back. This particular action will funnel some real money into supporting higher home prices.

We keep putting our heads in the sand saying that all the govt money will have no real impact. The govt money funneled into housing in the last 2 years has reached many trillions. More is going in. It has already had an impact. It is having an impact now. It will continue to have an impact. It is the largest government fiscal action since WW2.

[patientrenter]

I don’t think Obama is a fraud or a crook. I do think he is accomplished. He’s to the left of the average American. He is to the right of the average European.

I am not in love with any common political ideology marketed in the US today, but libertarianism is my favorite. Obama is far from a libertarian, but I’d prefer to have our top political leader be accomplished and somewhere between the average American and the average European in political ideology than incompetent and with political leanings exactly like mine.

My first choice is someone who is accomplished and who has political leanings like mine. But I wasn’t given that choice.

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