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Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
Participant[quote=Eugene]Nonsense. There’s no overshoot, we can feed 50 billion on this planet without breaking a sweat.
[quote]Now, what is even more interesting is juxtaposing the peak oil chart with the human population chart.[/quote]
Populations of Europe and North America got within 1/3 to 1/2 of current levels before oil even became an industrial commodity.[/quote]
True, and look at the conditions they lived in.
Horse drawn carriages of the 19th century littered London a foot deep in manure. Coal fires created killer smogs.
http://edugreen.teri.res.in/explore/air/smog.htm
“The first smog-related deaths were recorded in London in 1873, when it killed 500 people. In 1880, the toll was 2000. London had one of its worst experiences with smog in December 1892. It lasted for three days and resulted in about 1000 deaths. London became quite notorious for its smog. By the end of the 19th century, many people visited London to see the fog. Despite gradual improvements in air quality during the 20th century, another major smog occurred in London in December 1952. The Great London Smog lasted for five days and resulted in about 4000 more deaths than usual. In response to the Great London Smog, the government passed its first Clean Air Act in 1956, ”
yep those hippies may have had a point.
ParticipantIf you want to heat a pool it’s very cheap.
Run open loop, probably no more then a grand.
Here’s what imwould suggest.
Build a cheap collector, hook up a pump on a sensor, run…
ParticipantIf you want to heat a pool it’s very cheap.
Run open loop, probably no more then a grand.
Here’s what imwould suggest.
Build a cheap collector, hook up a pump on a sensor, run…
ParticipantIf you want to heat a pool it’s very cheap.
Run open loop, probably no more then a grand.
Here’s what imwould suggest.
Build a cheap collector, hook up a pump on a sensor, run…
ParticipantIf you want to heat a pool it’s very cheap.
Run open loop, probably no more then a grand.
Here’s what imwould suggest.
Build a cheap collector, hook up a pump on a sensor, run…
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