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December 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM in reply to: OT: Do you think Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) was drunk during Senate Debate? #497477
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ParticipantIn Vino Veritas.
He had one or two, was tired and was very
annoyed that the 3 senators he cut a deal with
knuclkled under to their leadership.December 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM in reply to: OT: Do you think Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) was drunk during Senate Debate? #497630patb
ParticipantIn Vino Veritas.
He had one or two, was tired and was very
annoyed that the 3 senators he cut a deal with
knuclkled under to their leadership.December 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM in reply to: OT: Do you think Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) was drunk during Senate Debate? #498021patb
ParticipantIn Vino Veritas.
He had one or two, was tired and was very
annoyed that the 3 senators he cut a deal with
knuclkled under to their leadership.December 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM in reply to: OT: Do you think Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) was drunk during Senate Debate? #498114patb
ParticipantIn Vino Veritas.
He had one or two, was tired and was very
annoyed that the 3 senators he cut a deal with
knuclkled under to their leadership.December 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM in reply to: OT: Do you think Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) was drunk during Senate Debate? #498361patb
ParticipantIn Vino Veritas.
He had one or two, was tired and was very
annoyed that the 3 senators he cut a deal with
knuclkled under to their leadership.patb
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pertinazzio]anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.[/quote]
That is a very good point.
I find it compelling as a way of evaluating rights.
For example it is reasonable to describe equality of access to a public service as a right but not the access itself.
So we have a right to equal treatment when trying to get education but not a right to the education per se.[/quote]“You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, the court will appoint one for you”
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Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pertinazzio]anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.[/quote]
That is a very good point.
I find it compelling as a way of evaluating rights.
For example it is reasonable to describe equality of access to a public service as a right but not the access itself.
So we have a right to equal treatment when trying to get education but not a right to the education per se.[/quote]“You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, the court will appoint one for you”
patb
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pertinazzio]anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.[/quote]
That is a very good point.
I find it compelling as a way of evaluating rights.
For example it is reasonable to describe equality of access to a public service as a right but not the access itself.
So we have a right to equal treatment when trying to get education but not a right to the education per se.[/quote]“You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, the court will appoint one for you”
patb
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pertinazzio]anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.[/quote]
That is a very good point.
I find it compelling as a way of evaluating rights.
For example it is reasonable to describe equality of access to a public service as a right but not the access itself.
So we have a right to equal treatment when trying to get education but not a right to the education per se.[/quote]“You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, the court will appoint one for you”
patb
Participant[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pertinazzio]anything that costs money can’t be a right. for instance the poorest possible society can grant all their citizens the right to free speech, association, religion etc. no matter how poor the society, the citizens can still have exercise those rights. on the other hand if in very poor societies you grant a right to universal high quality education, health-care, nutrition no will be able to exercise their so-called rights for a lack of resouces. now a society may decide that decency requires it to give all citizens health care, a job, etc. but that supposes society has the wherewithall to provide those things. Real rights are independent of society’s wealth.[/quote]
That is a very good point.
I find it compelling as a way of evaluating rights.
For example it is reasonable to describe equality of access to a public service as a right but not the access itself.
So we have a right to equal treatment when trying to get education but not a right to the education per se.[/quote]“You have a right to an attorney, if you cannot afford one, the court will appoint one for you”
patb
Participant[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.
No one should go hungry, but —
Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]The government produces nothing?
By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.
patb
Participant[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.
No one should go hungry, but —
Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]The government produces nothing?
By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.
patb
Participant[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.
No one should go hungry, but —
Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]The government produces nothing?
By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.
patb
Participant[quote=Carl Veritas]Your right ends where someone else’s right begins.
No one should go hungry, but —
Since the government does not produce anything,
[/quote]The government produces nothing?
By Definition the government produces public goods
ranging from parks to sidewalks to national defense.The free market sure didn’t produce I-5.
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