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Some more tidbits about Texas Presbyterian:

Apparently they were sending Duncan’s fluid samples to the hospital laboratory via pneumatic tube system.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/nurses_union_ebola_hospital_health_care_workers_not_prepared_to_deal_with_the_virus.html

I’ve seen improperly sealed specimens spill and leak out when sent thru such systems and then the whole thing has to be shut down and decontaminated otherwise contaminated tubes end up throughout the entire hospital. It was such a perceived danger that liquids are no longer allowed in our tube system where I work.

Nurses were allowed to treat other patients at the same time they were treating Duncan.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

The non-unionized nurses sought out the National Nurses Union so they could air their grievances anonymously- I sense some major dysfunction goin on…

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I think I’d rather live in (gulp) Detroit.

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VIX is 30’s, near traditional SHORT term buy levels.

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A link with more detail http://sploid.gizmodo.com/lockheed-martins-new-fusion-reactor-design-can-change-h-1646578094

I’ve been accused of being too pollyannaish before but if this works it would behoove us to share with the world.

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“Yep we are about to enter the age of abundance”

Say hello to heart disease and liposuction – I hope I’m still around to see us driving hovercrafts to work.

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[quote=flu]Ok, back on topic. The second nurse that is now infected apparently was on a Frontier Air flight days between Cleveland and Dallas after nursing Duncan…

Great.

Hello? If you are a caregiver for an Ebola patient, maybe you should quarantine yourself during the wait period when symptoms might show up…you think?

This will be interesting 132 passengers on that flight..And I wonder how many successive flights since then…[/quote]

Wonder if self quarantine was in the precious protocol. At this point though the likelihood of transferring ebola to someone on the flight is small as it is still early in the course of the disease. Duncan did not infect anyone on the plane or his apartment. Yeah I’m starting to sound like an overconfident CDC guy but that’s the pattern that is emerging.
Stay away from ebola victim’s dead or near dying
and most of us will be ok.

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[quote=zk][quote=Aecetia]
Will you settle for hard to catch?

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If you show me an expert who says it’s hard to catch I will. Professor Gershoni said it’s “relatively hard to catch.” Not the same. And a long, long way from “almost impossible.” (Depending on what you’re relative comparison was, of course.)[/quote]

Let’s settle on the “infectiousness of ebola is not constant.”
Nobody on Duncan’s plane caught it.
Nobody in Duncan’s apartment caught it.
2 medical personal wearing protective gear caught it.
This is because viral loads zoom in the last days of life and it is during this time that ebola is most infectious.
Edit: based on this, I predict that the infected hospital workers did not spread disease to anyone in contact with them before they tested positive.

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Looks like the CDC is starting to get it. They will fly in a team to direct things whenever an ebola case presents/confirmed, a multi fold improvement over how any hospital with an isolation ward should be able to handle Ebola. Credit to CDC head for admitting original course was wrong.

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[quote=kev374]Excellent report here:

FINALLY media is admitting that it can be contracted through contaminated surfaces and the virus can survive outside for DAYS. this is a MUCH bigger risk than has been stated by the CDC which is downplaying it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/14/world/europe/ebola-outbreak/index.html

The problem here is that there are various “experts” all over the place stating how it is almost impossible to catch Ebola…YET… a nurse fully dressed in ridiculously protective gear got it, oh we don’t know how sorry…BUT BUT It’s impossible to catch..[/quote]

What needs to be understood is how viral loads zoom to incredible highs in the last few days of a victim’s life. They become literal bags of virus. It is during this time that any small slipup becomes deadly.

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You got it right Flu. As a type O, you can receive any type of PLASMA.( For red cells you can only receive type O.) I forget the approximate volume, but small amounts of incompatible plasma can be tolerated so I would think that if ebola was detected early while viral load was still low, it would still be beneficial to give incompatible survivor plasma due to risk/reward scenario.

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Well, they id’d the nurse/victim and she is all of 26 years old, graduated nursing school in 2010 and received her critical care nursing certification 2 months ago. When bullets start to fly, send in the noob! I bet the more experienced nurses used their experience to make themselves conveniently unavailable.

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No, the problem with a perfect protocol is that…we come to believe they are perfect. We will make no progress if we believe our protocols to be perfect and refuse to consider that they may be imperfect; which is why Frieden needs to resign or Obama needs to fire him.

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[quote=zk][quote=outtamojo]According to Yahoo article, nurse who caught it knew full well she was treating Ebola patient and was wearing the full protective outfit.
I work in healthcare and I knew all along how these bulletins and special protocols work. They send you emails and maybe let you put on the gear a few times and then make you sign a piece of paper saying you were trained but nothing preps you for the real thing. There is only one good teacher and that is experience, which we dont have in good supply.
They will try to blame it on the poor
worker but in my view the pencil pushers as they always do failed to take into account the practical aspect of a learning curve.
They need to set up a team able to travel to care for stateside Ebola patients so they can get the necessary experience. They need to set up rooms for the team to live so they self quarantine.
The range in talent between the best and the worst healthcare workers is such that if you send in the worst you are just sending them in to die.
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Good points and good ideas, mojo. I like the traveling team idea.

I imagine that the story of the Texas healthcare worker will be similar to the Spain healthcare worker. Made a small mistake and paid for it tragically. Not to put the blame on her. Like you said, without experience in dealing with these things, it would be very difficult to make zero mistakes.[/quote]

A care team from the military sounds ideal – they are already on duty and I bet they get way more training than your average hospital worker.
http://www.naturalnews.com/047226_Ebola_outbreak_Dallas_health_care_worker.html
That Frieden guy needs to resign.

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“At some point, there was a breach in protocol, and that breach in protocol resulted in this infection,” he said at a news conference Sunday. “The (Ebola treatment) protocols work. … But we know that even a single lapse or breach can result in infection.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

That @hole from the CDC Frieden is blaming the worker. If that guy was in charge of highways he would take out all the center dividers and lane markers and tell everyone to just drive carefully and don’t run into anyone. Who needs lane dividers when everyone just needs to be careful? If you have an accident it’s because you didn’t follow the protocol to not run into anyone.
Mr. stop ebola in its tracks needs to get with the program and admit his precious protocol is a little light on safeguards and contingencies. Resign!

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According to Yahoo article, nurse who caught it knew full well she was treating Ebola patient and was wearing the full protective outfit.
I work in healthcare and I knew all along how these bulletins and special protocols work. They send you emails and maybe let you put on the gear a few times and then make you sign a piece of paper saying you were trained but nothing preps you for the real thing. There is only one good teacher and that is experience, which we dont have in good supply.
They will try to blame it on the poor
worker but in my view the pencil pushers as they always do failed to take into account the practical aspect of a learning curve.
They need to set up a team able to travel to care for stateside Ebola patients so they can get the necessary experience. They need to set up rooms for the team to live so they self quarantine.
The range in talent between the best and the worst healthcare workers is such that if you send in the worst you are just sending them in to die.
Hug your healthcare worker today for they risk their own lives and that of their families everyday.

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