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Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Lately when I want to be moderately religious I listen to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz5kBIAticI don’t really go in for country and western but this song is the bomb as far as believing in anything goes.
None of the old men are fat so that proves they are on the right track.[/quote]
Problem is believing in people sets you up for a letdown. Invisible deities are always there for you.[/quote]
It would be reasonable to trust people more than I do even though we do let others down.
ParticipantLately when I want to be moderately religious I listen to this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biz5kBIAticI don’t really go in for country and western but this song is the bomb as far as believing in anything goes.
None of the old men are fat so that proves they are on the right track.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Religion is best in moderate dosages and should not be ingested full strength.[/quote]
When I feel it is necessary, I tell my wife something happened a certain way because G-d wanted it that way….it works wonders….in moderation.Right now G-d wants us to have go-carts in the family.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Probably a certain vanity or egotism , not humility at all , in being haughty about the believers. If the believers seem consistently more fucked up than the rest of us then maybe I could see laughing in their faces, but it just isn’t that way.
To me it’s about how we chose to be governed. We all have to chose sources to fulfill our need for governance. Religion is above all a form or forms of governance of societies and individuals. Look at the right wingers , most religiously fanatic and anti-government, with the strong attachment to governance by religion it makes sense. Their need for governance is filled by churches and bible verses so they have psychic space to be more hostile to the government…Jesus is their president. They say stuff like that
Others of us chose to be governed more by the actual standing government, social convention, our friends and families in some hodge podge way and don’t see a need for church/religion. But, I think it’s fair to say that these types of governances are as flawed or nearly as flawed as most of those that have a large dose of religion..so get off the high horse.[/quote]
that makes sense. I think I shaLol adopt it as my belief system.[/quote]
I know you tried to sneak a shalom in there. A lot of us are vestigially governed by religion. it’s like the tail we still have whether we like it or not….only potentially more troublesome. The most vocally anti-religious are the most torn inside over the issue. Damn, I just made the sign of the cross over myself again!
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Belief in a G-d who rules everything and loves you in particular seems to be a more egotistical position by its very nature.[/quote]
Who you gonna follow God or Hitler?
Allah or the Shah of Iran?
Your born again friend or your sad and crazy drug addicted family?
ParticipantProbably a certain vanity or egotism , not humility at all , in being haughty about the believers. If the believers seem consistently more fucked up than the rest of us then maybe I could see laughing in their faces, but it just isn’t that way.
To me it’s about how we chose to be governed. We all have to chose sources to fulfill our need for governance. Religion is above all a form or forms of governance of societies and individuals. Look at the right wingers , most religiously fanatic and anti-government, with the strong attachment to governance by religion it makes sense. Their need for governance is filled by churches and bible verses so they have psychic space to be more hostile to the government…Jesus is their president. They say stuff like that
Others of us chose to be governed more by the actual standing government, social convention, our friends and families in some hodge podge way and don’t see a need for church/religion. But, I think it’s fair to say that these types of governances are as flawed or nearly as flawed as most of those that have a large dose of religion..so get off the high horse.
ParticipantPantheism and pantheists are interesting, Allan. Glad you brought that up.
ParticipantNah, sometime they just don’t know what is smart, wise, or funny.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Agreed.
That’s why I always hedge my bets by only referring to the big angry guy as G-d. I am hoping that small sign of respect, as well as my wearing a yarmulke at all times when walking more than 5 yards. , will get him to cut me a break if indeed I am the punchline.
Which I know I’m not.
Insofar As I Know anything.[/quote]
At least you don’t have to continue to worry about how often you masturbate…I mean , worrying about that as a sign of respect to the big angry and voyeuristc guy.ParticipantYou could be wrong about the afterlife, SC. I don’t know why , but don’t believe you could know that. Heaven and Hell and reincarnation and other ideas are pure guesses, even lies gradually forced into articles of faith, but so is it to say , there is no afterlife.
A million people can agree and hope and pray that there is no afterlife, but it doesn’t make it true. How goofy we are, or all the goofy notions past humans have come up with doesn’t prove anything about a post death situation of individuals, dogs , cats or any other living thing.
We can speculate on what the quality of a potential afterlife would be, I never come up with anything very good or comforting at all really. You can’t really say the universe and life is a cosmic joke and claim to know that joke doesn’t mean you go to Disneyland when you die.
ParticipantDo we have and uncontrollable need to be part of something bigger than ourselves? An instinct that can only be ignored with consequences worse than those that come from being a sheep in some flock? Maybe our real choices are drink the Koolaide , enough of some kind of Koolaide, or suffer from being too anti-social?
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar][quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]
He wants to start his own religion and use it to make people do what he wants them to do and get rich.[/quote]He’s not the first one.[/quote]
That’s what I told him.[/quote]tell him he needs an angle.[/quote]
Nah. All he needs is a pulpit and a camera.[/quote]
His mom, trembling, told him he can’t start a cult, Naturally he can not see much difference. I also told him it’s not cool and he shouldn’t do it. I told him to be friendly with people about their religions except when he is alone talking with me.
In the end though, I think most associations are churches of a kind. I was running for a while and checking in with various running groups..Eventually, I had a nightmare where I was in a building sitting down listening to some running guru talking to nothing but runners in the crowd…..lots of spandex (too many dudes in spandex). I woke up in a cold sweat screaming “this is a fucking running church” ….haven’t taken a step faster than a mild stroll ever since.
Participant[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]
He wants to start his own religion and use it to make people do what he wants them to do and get rich.[/quote]He’s not the first one.[/quote]
That’s what I told him.ParticipantMy 11 Y.O had me cracking up today…My wife was trying reverently to describe the Easter Story and he said that the only rational reason to explain all these old religions is that someone was eating rotten clams and hallucinating off them.
He wants to start his own religion and use it to make people do what he wants them to do and get rich.
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