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ParticipantThe religious tribal warfare stuff would be disappointing.
Being a first generation off the farm professional would be a lot harder than coming from a tradition of trained professionals. Might be too big of an adjustment. Not groomed properly. Checking out is understandable.
We all want to justify our existence, even as a monk on wheels, he has decided that the measuring stick is time in the “Zone”. It really comes down to whatever gets you through. A lot of us are wired best for heavy doses of checking out. he is a bit like a monk who can afford to skip the affiliation with a cult structure or organized religious body. A one man cult?
Not to say at all that I don’t value what he is saying or respect his life. It is really his fault that he was so materialistic as a doctor and missed the other satisfactions from his profession. Many doctors are not assholes. I would have liked it better if he was a former weapons designer, or Realtor, who denounced that kind of thing.
The stuff about acceleration bringing a sense of well-being is interesting. Kind of goofy too. How about just being physical in some semi-challenging way? Probably the same thing.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Gay people will be sadder. I was reading about Gay friendships, extended networks of friends arevlovers, arising because they don’t couple up and defend coupled against the world. Routine Gay marriage will NE them and their lives dull. SCCEPTED But dull, I SUPPOSE Is The PrICE paid[/quote]
It is possible, maybe likely, that many will find that broader social acceptance including marriage , doesn’t make much of a before and after difference in being happy…Deep down it won’t make much of a difference in individual self acceptance , which will continue to be a problem indefinitely.
Participant6 or so years for school and studying and more then 10 for work for a lot of people.
ParticipantThe landlord told you to talk to the property management people. Did you do that?
ParticipantWhen I commented to scaredy that it wasn’t all great in the 70’s for gays , I wasn’t thinking about aids. There were other things, coming out of the closet seemed pretty tragic for a lot of people, and you had to be a Madonna fan. Well maybe it’s not all better, now you have to have everybody wonder if you are only gay because it’s hip and you have to be a Hillary fan.
ParticipantThese polyamorous people didn’t waste much time.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/03/us-usa-polygamist-montana-idUSKCN0PD0BQ20150703
Participant[quote=AN][quote=Blogstar]Everybody is bi-sexual. Look at what I am saying though. Where has a free for all ever brought the human race forward? How could it. Maybe it could. I don’t know. I think it would not. We could not succeed doing that it’s to far off of how our complete package of instincts work together for social success. Poligamy, as I perceive it, and as it has existed and does exist , might not be.[/quote]I’m not arguing whether a many to many marriage would bring human race forward or not. It’s definitely a minority group, just like homosexuals are, but to a much larger extent. What I’m trying to say is, we shouldn’t deny a group of people (doesn’t matter how small/fringe they are) their constitutional rights just because you don’t think their action will bring the human race forward. Many anti-gay marriage say the exact same thing about gay marriage. They point to human history, they point to how it’s not natural, they point to how it’ll destroy marriage and some even will go as far as saying it’ll destroy society. I personally just want everyone to have the same constitutional right to marry.[/quote]
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Participant[quote=AN][quote=Blogstar]That’s basically the perception I work from.
I am not sure if ever in the history of humankind that “many to many” has been effective in carrying the human race forward( ultimately this topic is about reproduction and survival) . But then maybe it has been fairly common? Not in recent western civilizations, of course, but with native americans or others? Maybe further back in European history?Cultures where only the alpha males have much access to women seem to have been/are more common. You don’t see women even dreaming of such things. yet some DO cooperate with polygamy. It doesn’t seem like that big of a stretch, really. “One ( male) with many” is more common in other primates, and throughout the animal kingdom. This is why I tend to see it as “one( male) with many”. Seems more in line with what our internal wiring would be like, at least as much as we are wired for monogamy.[/quote]What if these polygamists are bisexual? Why does it have to be one man to many women or one woman to many men?[/quote]
Everybody is bi-sexual. Look at what I am saying though. Where has a free for all ever brought the human race forward? How could it. Maybe it could. I don’t know. I think it would not. We could not succeed doing that it’s to far off of how our complete package of instincts work together for social success. Poligamy, as I perceive it, and as it has existed and does exist , might not be.
ParticipantJust looked your original post again, scaredy, You miss the gay life of the 70’s and the 80’s, but I remember it also as a very painful extremely dysfunctional time for gay people too.
Participant[quote=ltsdd]Most people probably have the perception of polygamy being a one-to-many relationship. Would people feel differently about polygamy if it’s really a many-to-many relationship?[/quote]
That’s basically the perception I work from.
I am not sure if ever in the history of humankind that “many to many” has been effective in carrying the human race forward( ultimately this topic is about reproduction and survival) . But then maybe it has been fairly common? Not in recent western civilizations, of course, but with native americans or others? Maybe further back in European history?Cultures where only the alpha males have much access to women seem to have been/are more common. You don’t see women even dreaming of such things. yet some DO cooperate with polygamy. It doesn’t seem like that big of a stretch, really. “One ( male) with many” is more common in other primates, and throughout the animal kingdom. This is why I tend to see it as “one( male) with many”. Seems more in line with what our internal wiring would be like, at least as much as we are wired for monogamy.
ParticipantIf polygamy were not forced to be fringe. perhaps it would be healthier on average, including for children. Having homosexuality be acceptable ,and approved of to the point of allowing marriage, is supposed to have done that for declared homosexuals….and what about their children?
ParticipantScratch looks interesting , Flu. My second grader said that scratch was used in the “code” class some of his classmates took after school. He had heard about the bubble factory from them. Anyway all three boys have accounts and we goof around talking about our “technology club”.
I think we will get the raspberry pi 2. If we can’t do a lot with it on our own, my kid has little techie friends whose families have careers in computer tech. We can get cues from them. Just want to get the kids hands and mind’s on this stuff now.
You probably know this, The “redstone” operations in mine craft are pretty good. Lot of logic / control circuits. Not too bad for “games”.
http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Redstone_circuitsParticipantPoligamy is a natural as anything else concerning marriage. We are somewhat wired for that. We are somewhat wired for a lot of things, but our choices are always somewhat limited by perceived societal needs and cultural limitations of the day, as in what can a society seem to afford, or not. Culture is G_D . The supreme court ruling on Homosexual marriage is not much different than the one child law in China , or if the supreme court were to actually rule in favor of polygamy. Our collective cultural consciousness believes we can tolerate less controls on homosexual behavior(which we are all wired for) , probably because we have the most nukes and lots of immigrants and don’t need more replacement people anyway.
ParticipantMy oldest kid(12) is in OCD mode with the iPad and laptop. I have restricted his time and he has been sneaking on. My wife correctly wants to let him use it more this summer, but have it be guided into more constructive hours. Left to his own he will spend all day on games.
So she found “scratch”, anyone familiar with it? Any other self guided programs that have some merit? https://scratch.mit.edu/info/faq/
He also has his own Mind Storm robot, so we have been letting him find sites to work with that.
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