[NotCranky]

[quote=zk][quote=poorgradstudent]Violence is only acceptable by teachers and law enforcement to prevent violence. A student who is disruptive but not violent can be threatened with escalating consequences when they don’t obey the rules. Frankly, if the threat of suspension isn’t sufficient to motivate a student’s actions, they probably should face expulsion, for the sake of the other students’ learning experience.

The officer’s actions weren’t appropriate.[/quote]

The idea of threats of escalating consequences might work, but I believe that option had already passed by the time the officer arrived. If I’m not mistaken, he was brought in for the purpose of removing the student.[/quote]

Many of these kids are beyond the fuck you expel me stage yet they are still there. They sleep in class, try to have sex, insult and harass each other. Insult the teacher etc, This stuff might mean a walk to the office and back, but once the parent or parents are found to be useless or even abusive , the school and especially the teachers hands are tied. THe teachers give up even trying to send them to the office.

[NotCranky]

[quote=no_such_reality]Student slams principal to floor

Cafeteria brawl Sacramento area school, yadda yadda, stuff like this happened when we were kids too, there just weren’t cameras in everybody’s pocket to record it.[/quote]
You mean those poor victims of their school slammed the man to the floor and had a big fight in the cafeteria. I bet they are great to try to study next to in home room too. Always blaming the victims. This is a perfect example of the student body making the prison like environment.

[NotCranky]

Scaredytroll. LOLz.

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=AN]Why should there be a problem in the first place. Don’t like to learn? Just leave. Save everyone the hassle of dealing with your inconsiderate ass.[/quote]

school is not optional. it’s against the law not to go.[/quote]

And it’s against the law to tell someone to stay home or keep their kid home , out of school permanently too.

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Why no anal cavity search? Merely flinging her is not going to solve this problem?

Teacher more interested in a pissing contest than teaching.

Not sure what rules apply. If you disobey any order of a teacher, can any level of force be used to extract a student. Can you throw a 10 year old across a room for chewing gum? Why not? How old before we get to whoop their ass?[/quote]

I went to a school that was a lot like a prison as you say , when it wasn’t like a jungle. I have fond memories of most of the teachers. It was a large percentage of the student body that made it like a prison and or zoo not the teachers. Why would it be any different today?

[NotCranky]

She did not pull out a cell phone and get her ass whooped. She was told to leave and was going to fight instead, or maybe go on a hunger strike in that chair. When he touched her she immediately went berserk and got her ass kicked. Not saying it was right to throw her, or even touch her, but don’t make things up.

So looking at her actual individual demeanor and intentions and the problems it was causing for the many , what do you do?

[NotCranky]

He’s been fired already.

[NotCranky]

Having limitations with male friendships is pretty standard. We have some many conflicting instincts as human beings. Brotherly love, which I believe is innate instinct, and individual survival and reproduction are in direct conflict. Competition is still the primary dynamic among men. People are plain afraid of other people, even if not completely paranoid. This is kind of a new thought to me so I can’t really elaborate on what I am getting at. But anyway don’t feel like the only one if you don’t have lots of male friends.

I think most of what I see in men interacting in groups doesn’t look much like friendship when studied. It’s more like networking, or worse, something gang banging, or herding into groups for protection. Perhaps more innocently , just passing time in mutually entertaining ways. Possibly a combination of these things. The gang banging isn’t just the uncivilized types we think of either. Anyway , like wild dogs in a pack, a group of men does not mean a troop of friends at all. There may not be even a pair of really good friends in the whole bunch of them. That is definitely not to say there aren’t great friendships and mutual respect , or that superficial companionship isn’t valuable. I am not saying we are exactly dogs. Science agrees we are closer to other animals after all. Even in my chaotic life(first half) with my non-herd views and difficult personality , I have had a few great friends and still do.

Can’t speak about women to women on this issue. It’s pretty understandable why many of us men find women more open to us than men are , even if we aren’t very sensitive to feminist views. Women generally want to explore men to find out what they are about . They are more open to us for lots of reasons including that they see us as potential sources of protection in bad circumstances, or as a potential replacement mate. Of course some of this stuff runs below the surface, also often times not so below. I don’t think having it easier with women proves anything regarding difficulties with having good male friends. Maybe with the exception that being around women affects the necessary trust due to fear of competition. Of course, with young people, males often want to hang around with males who are popular with females but again, that’s not friendship really.

[NotCranky]

^^^^ Perfect answer.

[NotCranky]

You think boys and girls don’t mix in 2015 and you call it “misogynistic”? Wow!

[NotCranky]

Can’t Ballast point have an option agreement with a big brand already? I don’t do
business on this level but is that common? Or not?

I would lean toward the side of limited market potential. The craft beer thing seems to have a lot of “my local beer is better cooler than your local beer” . These micro breweries and beer houses are everywhere , why is someone in Seattle ,or some other large population center , in the U.S. or abroad going to pick a San Diego beer to be their standard? Why will it become a standard when a lot of people see that the fun in craft beers is trying a large variety of them, the latest, the limited, or because it has a cool sticker on the bottle?

I don’t really know , but these seem to be natural questions.

[NotCranky]

Do you have brothers and/or sisters? What do they think of the idea? Seems the big question is, is this the best fit for elder care for your mom and your family? Considering the different possible turns an elderly persons health and mobility can take?

Then, what do do with the house when she can’t use it, either because of health issues, or death?

If those things project out o.k. and she wants to do it, it makes her happy, why not?

[NotCranky]

Real men drink craft beer, can afford it, and can afford to lose money on the stock, so WTF?

[NotCranky]

If the grade levels beat down the grade below , I think that is a hostile environment. I’d be considering another school. I might see reasons to stay too.
Anyway , good for you outtamojo for taking the behavior on directly.

[NotCranky]

Scaredy, I don’t recommend “nice” and never did. Nice might mean you are stuffing every bit of bullshit people give you. One can be patient and kind( not nice), or anyway something short of obnoxious, and defend themselves ,or walk away with dignity, in most normal situations. It doesn’t mean don’t tell people things they don’t like to hear , or ignore or deflect attempts to control you or any of that. If patient and reasonably kind doesn’t work, you might be dealing with a lunatic. So acting all bad is just going to be the old throwing fire on a flaming asshole, just makes the fire bigger. It can also get embarrassing , trust me.

Now when you really can’t get away or deflect violence then you have to fight physically, all my boys know this and I am still ready.

Really , if someone is out of control in an intolerably and inescapable oppressive way or dangerous way and you have the chance to do it , you probably need to get the cops or courts to help you. With kids they do need to get the help of adults sometimes.

I came from being too defensive a lot of the time. I have been overly passive in the face of other bad acts but not too often. I beat some kids up when I was a kid. They started it but they were doing stuff to other kids who avoided making much trauma out of it. I have been a loaner to avoid potential conflict but in the face of actual conflict I am rarely passive or “nice”.

So anyway, not everyone has your lopsided background. Well, I have never been an aggressor , but I have overreacted to it plenty. Some of us come from the other direction.Be careful you don’t get all excited calling people pussies and whatnot and get yourself in trouble.

[Author]

Posts