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ParticipantYou devil :). How about real seperation of church and state?
ParticipantA question JG because I think you might be behaving in a sly manner again.Do you believe we are primates?Animals? And I am nto jsut asking about me and CY!
ParticipantA question JG because I think you might be behaving in a sly manner again.Do you believe we are primates?Animals? And I am nto jsut asking about me and CY!
ParticipantMy direct comment to JG was too harsh and I apoligize.I am sure you are not deficient in love for your family,sorry.
About the “Study” I blew off. If you want to say that enlistees are better off than the non-college bound individuals they leave behind when they join the military, from the areas they are coming from, that might be possible. In my post where I said that enlisted people come from mostly broken families and impoverished areas I could have explained better. I mean as compared to officers and the nation as a whole including hte college bound. Sure if an area is blighted the non-college bound with some get up and go might leave the less ambitious at home and join the military. I am not crazy about a million studies because too many have bias. Often times when a study or amazing story comes to me from a christian it is being regurgitated from some phoney paid circuit speaker in the church.Like your story of the two boys who were raised equally but one becomes a murderer proving that evil people are born that way.Generally these stories are flimsy on educated review. I don’t trust polls,from almost any source,that say the enlisted military is doing great, are all the cream of the crop ect. I think they are designed to whitewash the fact that so many underpriveleged men get slaughtered compared to those from better situations. Anyone who gives a shit knows what is happening.Your report admitted that in eras of war the branches of the military had to make “lower standards” to get volunteers. That tells the story right there.
Have a good day and know that Rustico wishes the best for you and your family.That goes for all you “LIBS” too.:).
Oh well, one more parting shot.
“what I found to be his most compelling proof for God was that, as you said, most peoples and societies do value, and abhor, the same things. There ARE universal mores, it seems to me.”
Slightly modified discussion on CS Lewis obsrvations.
What I found to be his most compelling proof for a divine monkey was that,as you said, most monkeys and monkey societies do value,and abhor, the same things. They are universal mores,it seems to me. I have never met one monkey that didn’t like bananas or who succeded at forming a social group fundamentally different than social groups of monkeys from the same species.
Suggested reading “The Naked Ape” by Desmond MorrisAnyway the point of my sarcasm is not really that we are primates. What you have posited is as weak as any proof I have ever seen JG. Of course from there it is just a small step from there to your personal mythology being HIS word, as if God speaks or something. Why does an otherwise bright man allow his logic to go to the garbage when he is making proofs of God? Could you imagine if we came to blog and used a flimsy proof like that for real estate going up forever.
Kind of funny I have had these conversation with Christians before….never in writing. Amazingly enough it apparently makes no difference. I always thought maybe they weren’t able to grasp what I was saying because I talked too fast or something. But here it is in writing and it has the exact same effect. nada,nil,zilch! Just amazing! I amstartingot experience the talking ot a brick wall syndrome again. The least you could do JG,is from here on out to say…”I believe because I want to, not because I have any proof. My particular mythology helps me and thats as far as it goes.” BTW I am not an atheist. I simply don’t care wether GOD exists or doesn’t because we are not even close to knowing how this all works. Someone smarter than me will bring that knowlege out if it ever happens. Meanwhile I have got us to believe in or not.
ParticipantMy direct comment to JG was too harsh and I apoligize.I am sure you are not deficient in love for your family,sorry.
About the “Study” I blew off. If you want to say that enlistees are better off than the non-college bound individuals they leave behind when they join the military, from the areas they are coming from, that might be possible. In my post where I said that enlisted people come from mostly broken families and impoverished areas I could have explained better. I mean as compared to officers and the nation as a whole including hte college bound. Sure if an area is blighted the non-college bound with some get up and go might leave the less ambitious at home and join the military. I am not crazy about a million studies because too many have bias. Often times when a study or amazing story comes to me from a christian it is being regurgitated from some phoney paid circuit speaker in the church.Like your story of the two boys who were raised equally but one becomes a murderer proving that evil people are born that way.Generally these stories are flimsy on educated review. I don’t trust polls,from almost any source,that say the enlisted military is doing great, are all the cream of the crop ect. I think they are designed to whitewash the fact that so many underpriveleged men get slaughtered compared to those from better situations. Anyone who gives a shit knows what is happening.Your report admitted that in eras of war the branches of the military had to make “lower standards” to get volunteers. That tells the story right there.
Have a good day and know that Rustico wishes the best for you and your family.That goes for all you “LIBS” too.:).
Oh well, one more parting shot.
“what I found to be his most compelling proof for God was that, as you said, most peoples and societies do value, and abhor, the same things. There ARE universal mores, it seems to me.”
Slightly modified discussion on CS Lewis obsrvations.
What I found to be his most compelling proof for a divine monkey was that,as you said, most monkeys and monkey societies do value,and abhor, the same things. They are universal mores,it seems to me. I have never met one monkey that didn’t like bananas or who succeded at forming a social group fundamentally different than social groups of monkeys from the same species.
Suggested reading “The Naked Ape” by Desmond MorrisAnyway the point of my sarcasm is not really that we are primates. What you have posited is as weak as any proof I have ever seen JG. Of course from there it is just a small step from there to your personal mythology being HIS word, as if God speaks or something. Why does an otherwise bright man allow his logic to go to the garbage when he is making proofs of God? Could you imagine if we came to blog and used a flimsy proof like that for real estate going up forever.
Kind of funny I have had these conversation with Christians before….never in writing. Amazingly enough it apparently makes no difference. I always thought maybe they weren’t able to grasp what I was saying because I talked too fast or something. But here it is in writing and it has the exact same effect. nada,nil,zilch! Just amazing! I amstartingot experience the talking ot a brick wall syndrome again. The least you could do JG,is from here on out to say…”I believe because I want to, not because I have any proof. My particular mythology helps me and thats as far as it goes.” BTW I am not an atheist. I simply don’t care wether GOD exists or doesn’t because we are not even close to knowing how this all works. Someone smarter than me will bring that knowlege out if it ever happens. Meanwhile I have got us to believe in or not.
ParticipantDo people need dentists? I do my own dental work in the garage with a dremel tool. I don’t think everybody is ready to do that. Newguy does not need Realtors.
I don’t think real estate is going to change that dramatically. Too many people need the consulting on the market,intricacies of the loan, the transaction, construction isues,how to avoid getting hurt ect. When people realize that every escrow is like giving birth it will become less popular.The paper work is simple when things go well. The deals and the decisions about choosing to write offers or accept them and for how much are not. An experienced Realtor is way better at screening houses and real estate players than the average person. A realtor frequently helps shield the lying buyer from the lying seller or visa versa in a high stakes game and that social service shouldn’t be underestimated.Some sellers and buyers get along fantastically but way too many shouldn’t get too close to each other.I have made sellers be honest who would have gotten themselves sued big time.Many couples really need help figuring out who is going to make the ultimate decision. Social work again. Many really do need an impartial third party. As stated by all, many people don’t need one for the easy transactions. Just make sure that house you or you and your partner falls for ends up being the one that comes with the trouble free transaction.Oh and when it gets really screwd up ,which it shouldn’t if someone knows what they are doing(but does sometimes even for the best of them), is the lawyer going to stick around until the dust settles for free?
Disclaimer: I don’t care what anybody does.I don’t think we are indispensable to everyone.If something better comes along good.ParticipantDo people need dentists? I do my own dental work in the garage with a dremel tool. I don’t think everybody is ready to do that. Newguy does not need Realtors.
I don’t think real estate is going to change that dramatically. Too many people need the consulting on the market,intricacies of the loan, the transaction, construction isues,how to avoid getting hurt ect. When people realize that every escrow is like giving birth it will become less popular.The paper work is simple when things go well. The deals and the decisions about choosing to write offers or accept them and for how much are not. An experienced Realtor is way better at screening houses and real estate players than the average person. A realtor frequently helps shield the lying buyer from the lying seller or visa versa in a high stakes game and that social service shouldn’t be underestimated.Some sellers and buyers get along fantastically but way too many shouldn’t get too close to each other.I have made sellers be honest who would have gotten themselves sued big time.Many couples really need help figuring out who is going to make the ultimate decision. Social work again. Many really do need an impartial third party. As stated by all, many people don’t need one for the easy transactions. Just make sure that house you or you and your partner falls for ends up being the one that comes with the trouble free transaction.Oh and when it gets really screwd up ,which it shouldn’t if someone knows what they are doing(but does sometimes even for the best of them), is the lawyer going to stick around until the dust settles for free?
Disclaimer: I don’t care what anybody does.I don’t think we are indispensable to everyone.If something better comes along good.Participant“And, trust me, my wife and kids are in a better position with bounds and limits put upon me.”
Thanks for admitting this JG. Not all of us need religion to do this .Someof us have love on our side. Some of us know and trust ourselves a little more than that too. Now as to having religious people intervening with politics to have the same restraints dictated, that keep you a reasonable father and spouse. Well you just admitted that if you had other tools besides your religion, you wouldn’t need it. Except maybe to get to disneyland..I mean heaven, and make this country great, I mean rich.
Best wishesParticipant“And, trust me, my wife and kids are in a better position with bounds and limits put upon me.”
Thanks for admitting this JG. Not all of us need religion to do this .Someof us have love on our side. Some of us know and trust ourselves a little more than that too. Now as to having religious people intervening with politics to have the same restraints dictated, that keep you a reasonable father and spouse. Well you just admitted that if you had other tools besides your religion, you wouldn’t need it. Except maybe to get to disneyland..I mean heaven, and make this country great, I mean rich.
Best wishesParticipantI am reading the posts by the two of you,cy and 4runner.
I get the feeling that you aren’t really adressing cyphires points, 4 runner but adding your own take on a few things related.In any case I like those points. I think you are saying that the rules of religion are based on economic effeciency and the dogma is designed to enforce that. I have always believed this to be true. Also I would imagine that health practices were a big part or it. When there is no medicine for venereal diseases or other reasonable controls agains epidemics, very strict sexual codes would be a must. The shame of having a child out of wedlock another preemptive tax relief for the society where resources per capita and per bread winner would be sparse.
I think the orgiginal churches as a form of goverment did the best they could with what they had,although one might justifiable opine that they could have left well enough alone. I personally believe european power decided it needed to move large masses of people in response to the fact that conflict was rising with regions that had already put organization and control of the masses in place. Maybe that is why to this day presidents always invoke GOD to be on our side when they go to War of any kind. This real practice of moving ignorant armies and the public opinion to unjust wars to me is the worst evil of all related to religion and probably the main reason that political seperation of church and state do not exist as it should. It is the tendency to allow organizations that are still clinging to these archaic societal measures and the myths behind them that seem to be bane of modern society in CY’s eyes . I am not as vigilant and have solved the religious problem for myself decades ago. But on the societal level maybe we should all be more concerned. I think human nature is the real culprit myself but religion doesn’t seem to be helping address that as well in the new world as it might have in the old.There I am giving religion credit for being at least as good as a half way decent government, at some point historically. Why do we need Religion to bind society or interfere in any way with its rules when the founders of this country laid out a good new plan which has been to a large degree ignored? I am not talking about abolishing freedom of religion I am talking about illegalizing any religion as a quazi branch of government. If any other group intervened politically or socially, or attempted to, to the degree that religious groups do in our system, they would be labeled seditious and put down is a second.Look what we did to black people who wanted civil rights, Think about the Kent State for instance. Or the “red scare” attack propaganda against the media. Just because the religious cult is large and has roots in the old world doesn’t justify the meddling allowed to it IMO.ParticipantI am reading the posts by the two of you,cy and 4runner.
I get the feeling that you aren’t really adressing cyphires points, 4 runner but adding your own take on a few things related.In any case I like those points. I think you are saying that the rules of religion are based on economic effeciency and the dogma is designed to enforce that. I have always believed this to be true. Also I would imagine that health practices were a big part or it. When there is no medicine for venereal diseases or other reasonable controls agains epidemics, very strict sexual codes would be a must. The shame of having a child out of wedlock another preemptive tax relief for the society where resources per capita and per bread winner would be sparse.
I think the orgiginal churches as a form of goverment did the best they could with what they had,although one might justifiable opine that they could have left well enough alone. I personally believe european power decided it needed to move large masses of people in response to the fact that conflict was rising with regions that had already put organization and control of the masses in place. Maybe that is why to this day presidents always invoke GOD to be on our side when they go to War of any kind. This real practice of moving ignorant armies and the public opinion to unjust wars to me is the worst evil of all related to religion and probably the main reason that political seperation of church and state do not exist as it should. It is the tendency to allow organizations that are still clinging to these archaic societal measures and the myths behind them that seem to be bane of modern society in CY’s eyes . I am not as vigilant and have solved the religious problem for myself decades ago. But on the societal level maybe we should all be more concerned. I think human nature is the real culprit myself but religion doesn’t seem to be helping address that as well in the new world as it might have in the old.There I am giving religion credit for being at least as good as a half way decent government, at some point historically. Why do we need Religion to bind society or interfere in any way with its rules when the founders of this country laid out a good new plan which has been to a large degree ignored? I am not talking about abolishing freedom of religion I am talking about illegalizing any religion as a quazi branch of government. If any other group intervened politically or socially, or attempted to, to the degree that religious groups do in our system, they would be labeled seditious and put down is a second.Look what we did to black people who wanted civil rights, Think about the Kent State for instance. Or the “red scare” attack propaganda against the media. Just because the religious cult is large and has roots in the old world doesn’t justify the meddling allowed to it IMO.ParticipantI think if I were going to move now I would just trade my paid off house for another.I am sick of housing bubbles and want life to go on. Most likely my next purchase will be rental property or developement property. I will go for it when the risk reward analysis point towards a likelyhood of increasing my cash flow or equity positions going forward. I would like to know ,at the least, that there is a possibility that we are coming into a period of economic growth and stability. Since we seem to be on the opposite extreme and prices are absurd, I tend to want to take a wait and see attitude. I have been doing some feasability studies of small developements with a potential partner where I would build a house or a few houses, maybe a fourplex and keep them rented out if profit opportunities are minimal at finish of construction. They pencil out now if I we can keep carrying costs down and don’t pay myself for much of the developement and construction, which is a luxury I have with the mortgage paid off and my wife working part time. The other project we will be studying is fixing up long term rentals.When we can put 20% down and fix them up/add on for the cost of materials only and rent them positive or at a very slight negative cash flow we will start collecting them. I just love sweat equity real estate opportunities and won’t delay more than I have to. I am not really worried about the exact bottom in this scenario because if prices keep falling it will have a positive “dollar cost averaging” effect(as long as things don’t go completely kaput).Feel free to explain that dollar cost averaging is not the technically the right analogy. I know there is a real estate investment term but can’t think of it right now.
“Laddering” or something like that?ParticipantI think if I were going to move now I would just trade my paid off house for another.I am sick of housing bubbles and want life to go on. Most likely my next purchase will be rental property or developement property. I will go for it when the risk reward analysis point towards a likelyhood of increasing my cash flow or equity positions going forward. I would like to know ,at the least, that there is a possibility that we are coming into a period of economic growth and stability. Since we seem to be on the opposite extreme and prices are absurd, I tend to want to take a wait and see attitude. I have been doing some feasability studies of small developements with a potential partner where I would build a house or a few houses, maybe a fourplex and keep them rented out if profit opportunities are minimal at finish of construction. They pencil out now if I we can keep carrying costs down and don’t pay myself for much of the developement and construction, which is a luxury I have with the mortgage paid off and my wife working part time. The other project we will be studying is fixing up long term rentals.When we can put 20% down and fix them up/add on for the cost of materials only and rent them positive or at a very slight negative cash flow we will start collecting them. I just love sweat equity real estate opportunities and won’t delay more than I have to. I am not really worried about the exact bottom in this scenario because if prices keep falling it will have a positive “dollar cost averaging” effect(as long as things don’t go completely kaput).Feel free to explain that dollar cost averaging is not the technically the right analogy. I know there is a real estate investment term but can’t think of it right now.
“Laddering” or something like that?ParticipantAnother one of those mysterious fires that seem to be breaking out in epidemic fashion? Just kidding. 15% long term gains and some depreciation recapture if you depreciated, really doesn’t seem that onerous to me, if you really want out of the buis. Making up your mind is probably more important than the tax consequence, due to falling market.
SDR: No I am not using a panic selling slant :).
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