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njtosd
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=svelte]I have no desire to live in Carmel Valley. It’s another one of those places I just don’t understand.[/quote]
Fairly close to the ocean. Good schools. Easy access to Sorrento Valley, where I work.
That said, the bang for the buck isn’t great, and I doubt we’ll ever actually live there. I can see the appeal, just can’t justify the price premium for that appeal.[/quote]
FWIW – we bought and sold in CV in 2002 and 2007 (respectively) and earned a 70% return. We moved to the east coast and came back and bought in CV 2011 and our house has appreciated about 35% since then. So the bang for our buck has been great. But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.
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Participant[quote=AN]I’d love to see stats of 7+ figure net worth and the HS they graduated from. I’d also love to see divorce rates and suicide rates too.[/quote]
Probably much more correlated to parental achievements and outcomes than those of high school classmates. I am a firm believer in the power of genetics. Hard to tease out, though, as successful parents will often raise their children in above average school districts. Freakonomics has a couple of great articles that relate to this point. For example, academic achievement is correlated to the number of books in a home …..even if the children living there don’t read the books. Reason: Smart parents tend to buy more books and also tend to have smart kids. I am beginning to understand where calvin’s idea of predestination came from (although i don’t subscribe to the philosophy). Also – there was a finding that kids who watched “Baby Einstein” videos ended up achieving less well academically than those who didn’t watch. I have my theories about that one – ie low achieving parents more interested in pushing smart baby toys on their children. Nature seems to trump nurture in many instances ….
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Participant[quote=CA renter]
If I have to choose between showing mercy for criminals who have no regard for innocent people vs. cops who show little/no regard for criminals, I will come down on the side of cops every single time. Of course, I do hope that cops use discretion and maintain their composure when dealing with suspects and criminals, but I also understand that they can make mistakes, and that they are dealing with the dark underbelly of human society, which will definitely cloud their perspective.
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CA Renter – you seem sweetly unaware that people who like pushing others around (or worse) are disproportionately attracted to positions of authority. (Look at the history of the BTK killer, for example, or the ongoing issues with security guards). The more benefit of the doubt that you give them, the more attracted the bad actors are going to be. We want it to be very clear that being a police officer is not a license to play fast and loose with other people’s Constitutional rights.
And just to be clear, I don’t think all police officers are bad. I also don’t think all bartenders are alcoholics, but it has a certain appeal . . .njtosd
Participant[quote=svelte]I have no desire to live in Carmel Valley. It’s another one of those places I just don’t understand.[/quote]
Well – it’s not a place I would live if I didn’t have school aged kids. But since I do, Carmel Valley is easy to understand. Schools are routinely ranked top in the county (son attends CCA which, last I checked, has the highest test scores in SD, plus an arts conservatory, etc). Motivated kids attract good teachers. Low crime, close to the ocean. Almost all the other residents have school aged kids, so there’s a good likelihood that your kids will have friends living close. Most of those kids are VERY academically motivated, so there is a culture supporting academic achievement. Almost every family in CV earns at least part of their living from a scientific pursuit, which I think is a positive thing.. There are a lot of businesses that support the activities that the kids want to do (dance, sports etc). Seems pretty easy to understand. Others may make different choices – but its not hard to understand.
njtosd
ParticipantMost of the bad things that happen in the world are the result of indifference, lack of compassion or similar sins of omission, rather than actual evil intent (or sins of commission). I think people who are highly compassionate and caring are unlikely to become police officers because the job would drive them nuts. So you end up with a group enhanced for just the sort of behaviors that are alleged in the Freddie Gray case.
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Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=spdrun]Sport, revenge, punishment, whatever. They’re accused of overstepping their authority. If they’re convicted, they need a few decades to think about what they did.[/quote]
We don’t yet know what caused his injuries, or why. We need to see what comes out in the trial.
In no way am I condoning what the cops did if they caused his injuries and subsequent death. We just need to know all of the details before we start accusing them of “killing for sport” (or revenge, etc.). If it turns out that they did more than just try to subdue/arrest him, then I’m all for jail time. But we just need to know more before we can make that judgement.[/quote]
There is a legal theory referred to as “res ipsa loquitur” which roughly means “the thing speaks for itself”. It is used to describe a circumstance where fault is presumed based on circumstances. Freddie Gray was riding a bicycle when the police began chasing him, so one can only surmise that his spine was intact. He was arrested and placed in a van, unrestrained (against policy) and emerged with a severed spinal cord. I can barely think if a more clear res ipsa case. I agree that an exlanation should be provided, but unless his spine sponateously broke in two, i have a hard time even imagining a scenario where the police are not at fault. The degree and distribution of guilt does require some investigation.
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Participant[quote=spdrun]Agreed, it’s a matter of opinion. But I maintain that for that price (or anything over $1 million), I better be able to walk and take a swim and be on the “proper” side of I-5 :)[/quote]
Ha! If you want to live in a closet ….
njtosd
ParticipantBack in 2002, Pardee used to require you to register for a spot on their waiting list (at least for some developments) and to also put down a refundable $10,000 deposit to remain there. There were lots of people on the list . . . We eventually decided it was better to buy an existing home – it’s hard to lock in a mortgage rate if the house isn’t going to be finished for 6 months. Plus you saved yourself the cost of landscaping and all the other new home expenses.
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ParticipantBased on what I read in the news, it appears that at least some of the charges were justified, especially against those who illegally arrested Freddie Gray and also against those who failed to restrain him.
In terms of the mercy on our souls – to my knowledge, nothing that I have ever done has indicated that I would approve or condone such a thing. Who’s souls require mercy – other than those who took part? The simple fact that bad people live in this world is a terrible thing, but I think we should be rational about who should be held responsible. The current spate of violence and vandalism shows that people either can’t figure out who is responsible, or choose to take their anger out indiscriminately. Should God have mercy on those who burn down a legitimate business and ruin a family’s source of income?
For a start – lets require that police wear cameras that deliver a feed wirelessly. My understanding is that the cameras have to be turned in and the data downloaded at the end of the day. This allows officers who would like to cover their tracks the ability to accidentally lose or destroy cameras with incriminating information. And why aren’t there cameras in these vans? That would have provided a lot more info. I also think that video cameras encourage a lot more lawful behavior. As an aside, I think they should also be put in classrooms – the stuff I hear that (theoretically) is coming from the teachers can be unbelievable at times.
I think police have always done this stuff – it’s a blessing that we now have some video footage to prove what everyone’s been saying – there are a lot of thugs on the police force.
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ParticipantStart also by realizing that $ wont make them “ok without you.” I think sometimes people over insure in the hopes that family members won’t be so sad when they pass away. Grief is the price you pay for having good people in your life. I would have enough to pay off housing and school expenses, assuming your wife would still be able to work.
njtosd
ParticipantWait – isn’t this a democracy? Even if you’re happy with leaders making these decisions – they have to comply with city plans. They can’t go AWOL because it will add $100 to the city coffers. For example – I’m sure Kilroy would pay lots to build a high rise condo complex on Torrey pines beach – but is that what is best overall?
njtosd
ParticipantI think you are seeing this project from the perspective of a single older man, which is not really representative. And I don’t know who the business interests are that you are speaking of – office space vacancy rates were at about 18% at the end of last year for San Diego, so tenants have a lot of places to go. Plus I’m sure there are a lot of landlords who don’t want to see another 1.5 million SF built.
One Paseo will, hopefully, be resubmitted as a project that comports with the current zoning guidelines. No one can object to that –
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ParticipantWell – it looks like One Paseo is going to be decided by a referendum (unless the City Council rescinds their approval). An enormous disappointment for Kilroy but I can’t help but be happy. http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/apr/24/one-paseo-carmel-valley-referendum-signatures/2/?#article-copy
Interesting that a poll among voters who are familiar with the project showed opposition to One Paseo 2:1.
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Participant[quote=carli]No one I know is reminiscing about horses and open fields, wishing to go back to those days. Most of us look forward to having more housing, dining, entertainment and shopping options nearby, and again, no one I know is opposed to One Paseo being built in the right way.
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But still, bring on the housing, dining, retail and entertainment right now in the right density, and it will be a welcome improvement to the area. Most of us are trying to say just that, but that part gets drowned out with all the rhetoric and accusations of NIMBYism, etc. There is more common ground here than most realize.[/quote]
I completely agree. Had Kilroy come in with a plan for 500,000 sq ft without a residential element (which would likely require a new school that is not even contemplated) I would be perfectly content. Perhaps I would be able to get a parking space at Ralphs when I need to run out to the store rather than driving around for 10 minutes searching for one.
Kilroy has tried to cast this conversation as all or nothing, which it isn’t. They are completely able to build a reasonably sized development under the current zoning – they just want more and they want us to bear the brunt of it.
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