[natty]

i’ll take the bait to explain further, although this is an entirely too complex an issue to discuss cliff note style….Four definitions.

“1. Behavior- Anything that an organism does involving action and response to stimulation; the response of an individual, group, or species to its environment.”

“2. Temperament- “The physical and mental characteristics of an individual dog, made evident through its reaction to stimuli in its environment. Aspects of personality that exist at birth and are as a result of genetic influences.”

“3. Genetic Predisposition- A genetic affectation which influences the phenotype of an individual organism within a species or population but by definition that phenotype can also be modified by the environmental conditions.”

“4. Instinct- The inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.”

What you describe of a pointer, ‘pointing’, is instinct, which is genetic so you are correct in thinking it is a part of temperament, but not temperament as a whole. Temperament is derived from all genetic influence not just the genes that are the basis for instinct.

As I wrote earlier, canine breeding has been practiced unregulated for ages. a report of bulldogs being used as the name suggests over 100 years ago means as little today, as a person training a rottweiller to point.

Your underlying point, which is false, is that a dog with a muscular appearance, wide head and shoulders, etc., is born programmed to attack humans and other animals, unprovoked, out of a ‘drive’ for blood.

This perceived problem, pit bulls as whole, is not a public safety issue, it is impossible to correct. Humans are the error of way. If truly interested in public safety in your neighborhood, do your part, educate you and your family, learn about canine behavior and proper handling. Learn of the documented 7-8 aggressive type behaviors, and if your dog displays, take action to correct it. If a neighbor is allowing their dog to run leash free, handle the situation as an adult-no matter the dog size or perceived breed type.

Also, I should mention that homeowner and renter insurance is readily available for dogs deemed ‘dangerous’ by many companies. Without a documented bite history, liability insurance is a few clicks away, and if needed, I can point in the correct direction locally.

[natty]

i’ll take the bait to explain further, although this is an entirely too complex an issue to discuss cliff note style….Four definitions.

“1. Behavior- Anything that an organism does involving action and response to stimulation; the response of an individual, group, or species to its environment.”

“2. Temperament- “The physical and mental characteristics of an individual dog, made evident through its reaction to stimuli in its environment. Aspects of personality that exist at birth and are as a result of genetic influences.”

“3. Genetic Predisposition- A genetic affectation which influences the phenotype of an individual organism within a species or population but by definition that phenotype can also be modified by the environmental conditions.”

“4. Instinct- The inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.”

What you describe of a pointer, ‘pointing’, is instinct, which is genetic so you are correct in thinking it is a part of temperament, but not temperament as a whole. Temperament is derived from all genetic influence not just the genes that are the basis for instinct.

As I wrote earlier, canine breeding has been practiced unregulated for ages. a report of bulldogs being used as the name suggests over 100 years ago means as little today, as a person training a rottweiller to point.

Your underlying point, which is false, is that a dog with a muscular appearance, wide head and shoulders, etc., is born programmed to attack humans and other animals, unprovoked, out of a ‘drive’ for blood.

This perceived problem, pit bulls as whole, is not a public safety issue, it is impossible to correct. Humans are the error of way. If truly interested in public safety in your neighborhood, do your part, educate you and your family, learn about canine behavior and proper handling. Learn of the documented 7-8 aggressive type behaviors, and if your dog displays, take action to correct it. If a neighbor is allowing their dog to run leash free, handle the situation as an adult-no matter the dog size or perceived breed type.

Also, I should mention that homeowner and renter insurance is readily available for dogs deemed ‘dangerous’ by many companies. Without a documented bite history, liability insurance is a few clicks away, and if needed, I can point in the correct direction locally.

[natty]

i’ll take the bait to explain further, although this is an entirely too complex an issue to discuss cliff note style….Four definitions.

“1. Behavior- Anything that an organism does involving action and response to stimulation; the response of an individual, group, or species to its environment.”

“2. Temperament- “The physical and mental characteristics of an individual dog, made evident through its reaction to stimuli in its environment. Aspects of personality that exist at birth and are as a result of genetic influences.”

“3. Genetic Predisposition- A genetic affectation which influences the phenotype of an individual organism within a species or population but by definition that phenotype can also be modified by the environmental conditions.”

“4. Instinct- The inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.”

What you describe of a pointer, ‘pointing’, is instinct, which is genetic so you are correct in thinking it is a part of temperament, but not temperament as a whole. Temperament is derived from all genetic influence not just the genes that are the basis for instinct.

As I wrote earlier, canine breeding has been practiced unregulated for ages. a report of bulldogs being used as the name suggests over 100 years ago means as little today, as a person training a rottweiller to point.

Your underlying point, which is false, is that a dog with a muscular appearance, wide head and shoulders, etc., is born programmed to attack humans and other animals, unprovoked, out of a ‘drive’ for blood.

This perceived problem, pit bulls as whole, is not a public safety issue, it is impossible to correct. Humans are the error of way. If truly interested in public safety in your neighborhood, do your part, educate you and your family, learn about canine behavior and proper handling. Learn of the documented 7-8 aggressive type behaviors, and if your dog displays, take action to correct it. If a neighbor is allowing their dog to run leash free, handle the situation as an adult-no matter the dog size or perceived breed type.

Also, I should mention that homeowner and renter insurance is readily available for dogs deemed ‘dangerous’ by many companies. Without a documented bite history, liability insurance is a few clicks away, and if needed, I can point in the correct direction locally.

[natty]

i’ll take the bait to explain further, although this is an entirely too complex an issue to discuss cliff note style….Four definitions.

“1. Behavior- Anything that an organism does involving action and response to stimulation; the response of an individual, group, or species to its environment.”

“2. Temperament- “The physical and mental characteristics of an individual dog, made evident through its reaction to stimuli in its environment. Aspects of personality that exist at birth and are as a result of genetic influences.”

“3. Genetic Predisposition- A genetic affectation which influences the phenotype of an individual organism within a species or population but by definition that phenotype can also be modified by the environmental conditions.”

“4. Instinct- The inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.”

What you describe of a pointer, ‘pointing’, is instinct, which is genetic so you are correct in thinking it is a part of temperament, but not temperament as a whole. Temperament is derived from all genetic influence not just the genes that are the basis for instinct.

As I wrote earlier, canine breeding has been practiced unregulated for ages. a report of bulldogs being used as the name suggests over 100 years ago means as little today, as a person training a rottweiller to point.

Your underlying point, which is false, is that a dog with a muscular appearance, wide head and shoulders, etc., is born programmed to attack humans and other animals, unprovoked, out of a ‘drive’ for blood.

This perceived problem, pit bulls as whole, is not a public safety issue, it is impossible to correct. Humans are the error of way. If truly interested in public safety in your neighborhood, do your part, educate you and your family, learn about canine behavior and proper handling. Learn of the documented 7-8 aggressive type behaviors, and if your dog displays, take action to correct it. If a neighbor is allowing their dog to run leash free, handle the situation as an adult-no matter the dog size or perceived breed type.

Also, I should mention that homeowner and renter insurance is readily available for dogs deemed ‘dangerous’ by many companies. Without a documented bite history, liability insurance is a few clicks away, and if needed, I can point in the correct direction locally.

[natty]

i’ll take the bait to explain further, although this is an entirely too complex an issue to discuss cliff note style….Four definitions.

“1. Behavior- Anything that an organism does involving action and response to stimulation; the response of an individual, group, or species to its environment.”

“2. Temperament- “The physical and mental characteristics of an individual dog, made evident through its reaction to stimuli in its environment. Aspects of personality that exist at birth and are as a result of genetic influences.”

“3. Genetic Predisposition- A genetic affectation which influences the phenotype of an individual organism within a species or population but by definition that phenotype can also be modified by the environmental conditions.”

“4. Instinct- The inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.”

What you describe of a pointer, ‘pointing’, is instinct, which is genetic so you are correct in thinking it is a part of temperament, but not temperament as a whole. Temperament is derived from all genetic influence not just the genes that are the basis for instinct.

As I wrote earlier, canine breeding has been practiced unregulated for ages. a report of bulldogs being used as the name suggests over 100 years ago means as little today, as a person training a rottweiller to point.

Your underlying point, which is false, is that a dog with a muscular appearance, wide head and shoulders, etc., is born programmed to attack humans and other animals, unprovoked, out of a ‘drive’ for blood.

This perceived problem, pit bulls as whole, is not a public safety issue, it is impossible to correct. Humans are the error of way. If truly interested in public safety in your neighborhood, do your part, educate you and your family, learn about canine behavior and proper handling. Learn of the documented 7-8 aggressive type behaviors, and if your dog displays, take action to correct it. If a neighbor is allowing their dog to run leash free, handle the situation as an adult-no matter the dog size or perceived breed type.

Also, I should mention that homeowner and renter insurance is readily available for dogs deemed ‘dangerous’ by many companies. Without a documented bite history, liability insurance is a few clicks away, and if needed, I can point in the correct direction locally.

[natty]

I should also add to original poster.
You will be perceived as a good neighbor once you prove your dog(s) to be trained in basic obedience. Walk your pit bulls properly, show control, display the happy and loving puppies you know them to be frequently for your neighbors to see. Conduct yourself as an animal law abiding citizen. Make a point to slowly introduce your dogs to those who live around you. This is a slow process, but one necessary. You own a dog that invokes much on mere site, as owner, you own up to that, and put in the work. Take your dogs in public, mall, beach, different parks, trails. It’s a constant practice, just as raising as child.

Don’t allow neighboring dog owners to influence your behavior or how you allow your animals to behave.

[natty]

I should also add to original poster.
You will be perceived as a good neighbor once you prove your dog(s) to be trained in basic obedience. Walk your pit bulls properly, show control, display the happy and loving puppies you know them to be frequently for your neighbors to see. Conduct yourself as an animal law abiding citizen. Make a point to slowly introduce your dogs to those who live around you. This is a slow process, but one necessary. You own a dog that invokes much on mere site, as owner, you own up to that, and put in the work. Take your dogs in public, mall, beach, different parks, trails. It’s a constant practice, just as raising as child.

Don’t allow neighboring dog owners to influence your behavior or how you allow your animals to behave.

[natty]

I should also add to original poster.
You will be perceived as a good neighbor once you prove your dog(s) to be trained in basic obedience. Walk your pit bulls properly, show control, display the happy and loving puppies you know them to be frequently for your neighbors to see. Conduct yourself as an animal law abiding citizen. Make a point to slowly introduce your dogs to those who live around you. This is a slow process, but one necessary. You own a dog that invokes much on mere site, as owner, you own up to that, and put in the work. Take your dogs in public, mall, beach, different parks, trails. It’s a constant practice, just as raising as child.

Don’t allow neighboring dog owners to influence your behavior or how you allow your animals to behave.

[natty]

I should also add to original poster.
You will be perceived as a good neighbor once you prove your dog(s) to be trained in basic obedience. Walk your pit bulls properly, show control, display the happy and loving puppies you know them to be frequently for your neighbors to see. Conduct yourself as an animal law abiding citizen. Make a point to slowly introduce your dogs to those who live around you. This is a slow process, but one necessary. You own a dog that invokes much on mere site, as owner, you own up to that, and put in the work. Take your dogs in public, mall, beach, different parks, trails. It’s a constant practice, just as raising as child.

Don’t allow neighboring dog owners to influence your behavior or how you allow your animals to behave.

[natty]

I should also add to original poster.
You will be perceived as a good neighbor once you prove your dog(s) to be trained in basic obedience. Walk your pit bulls properly, show control, display the happy and loving puppies you know them to be frequently for your neighbors to see. Conduct yourself as an animal law abiding citizen. Make a point to slowly introduce your dogs to those who live around you. This is a slow process, but one necessary. You own a dog that invokes much on mere site, as owner, you own up to that, and put in the work. Take your dogs in public, mall, beach, different parks, trails. It’s a constant practice, just as raising as child.

Don’t allow neighboring dog owners to influence your behavior or how you allow your animals to behave.

[natty]

sigh….have read the board going on many years. never felt the urge to post until now.

dogsbite.org- fear mongering to perpetuate nonsense. no factual based information, not interested in promoting some attempt at ‘rational’ discussion.

Dog Bite studies to date hold little-to-no relevance. Scanning classified ads, ‘news’ reports and websites does not constitute as a study. The number of four-legged canines which reside in the USA is unknown, although of course they are estimates. DNA testing is no where near 100% accurate. The nearly unimaginable number of unregulated breeding and inbreeding presents a muddled picture of ungatherable data. Many other factors too long to list as why dog bite statistics are bunk.

Aggression is a behavior. Behavior is learned. Behavior is a response to outside stimuli. No human or canine is born to kill. No human or canine is bred to kill. The idea a ‘pit bull’ is alien to such concrete evidence and data, is absurd. Those who believe such nonsense, should take a hard look in the mirror. Breeding for a predisposition does not guarantee behavior, i.e. a male and female human are tenacious business people, so they breed to pop out offspring who run fortune 500 companies.

Now

Canines inflicting damage upon humans and fellow canines, is an insolvable event as whole. Again, behavior IS learned. But just as human miscreants will roam the earth no matter the learning and government legislation, even ‘properly’ raised and cared for animals-human included-have within them the ability to act, even for an instance, outside of their given temperament inexplicably. In other problematic events the human/canine relationship is a beautiful marriage that is either not taken seriously or the given individual doesn’t have the capability to understand and act accordingly. In both instances, law will change nothing, each fall under unpreventable human error.

SO in short, the original poster is responsible for following animal control laws, and if not, such as allowing a puppy to run public streets free where not permissible, then should an event take place, the owner will deal with issues–legal, stares– accordingly.

[natty]

sigh….have read the board going on many years. never felt the urge to post until now.

dogsbite.org- fear mongering to perpetuate nonsense. no factual based information, not interested in promoting some attempt at ‘rational’ discussion.

Dog Bite studies to date hold little-to-no relevance. Scanning classified ads, ‘news’ reports and websites does not constitute as a study. The number of four-legged canines which reside in the USA is unknown, although of course they are estimates. DNA testing is no where near 100% accurate. The nearly unimaginable number of unregulated breeding and inbreeding presents a muddled picture of ungatherable data. Many other factors too long to list as why dog bite statistics are bunk.

Aggression is a behavior. Behavior is learned. Behavior is a response to outside stimuli. No human or canine is born to kill. No human or canine is bred to kill. The idea a ‘pit bull’ is alien to such concrete evidence and data, is absurd. Those who believe such nonsense, should take a hard look in the mirror. Breeding for a predisposition does not guarantee behavior, i.e. a male and female human are tenacious business people, so they breed to pop out offspring who run fortune 500 companies.

Now

Canines inflicting damage upon humans and fellow canines, is an insolvable event as whole. Again, behavior IS learned. But just as human miscreants will roam the earth no matter the learning and government legislation, even ‘properly’ raised and cared for animals-human included-have within them the ability to act, even for an instance, outside of their given temperament inexplicably. In other problematic events the human/canine relationship is a beautiful marriage that is either not taken seriously or the given individual doesn’t have the capability to understand and act accordingly. In both instances, law will change nothing, each fall under unpreventable human error.

SO in short, the original poster is responsible for following animal control laws, and if not, such as allowing a puppy to run public streets free where not permissible, then should an event take place, the owner will deal with issues–legal, stares– accordingly.

[natty]

sigh….have read the board going on many years. never felt the urge to post until now.

dogsbite.org- fear mongering to perpetuate nonsense. no factual based information, not interested in promoting some attempt at ‘rational’ discussion.

Dog Bite studies to date hold little-to-no relevance. Scanning classified ads, ‘news’ reports and websites does not constitute as a study. The number of four-legged canines which reside in the USA is unknown, although of course they are estimates. DNA testing is no where near 100% accurate. The nearly unimaginable number of unregulated breeding and inbreeding presents a muddled picture of ungatherable data. Many other factors too long to list as why dog bite statistics are bunk.

Aggression is a behavior. Behavior is learned. Behavior is a response to outside stimuli. No human or canine is born to kill. No human or canine is bred to kill. The idea a ‘pit bull’ is alien to such concrete evidence and data, is absurd. Those who believe such nonsense, should take a hard look in the mirror. Breeding for a predisposition does not guarantee behavior, i.e. a male and female human are tenacious business people, so they breed to pop out offspring who run fortune 500 companies.

Now

Canines inflicting damage upon humans and fellow canines, is an insolvable event as whole. Again, behavior IS learned. But just as human miscreants will roam the earth no matter the learning and government legislation, even ‘properly’ raised and cared for animals-human included-have within them the ability to act, even for an instance, outside of their given temperament inexplicably. In other problematic events the human/canine relationship is a beautiful marriage that is either not taken seriously or the given individual doesn’t have the capability to understand and act accordingly. In both instances, law will change nothing, each fall under unpreventable human error.

SO in short, the original poster is responsible for following animal control laws, and if not, such as allowing a puppy to run public streets free where not permissible, then should an event take place, the owner will deal with issues–legal, stares– accordingly.

[natty]

sigh….have read the board going on many years. never felt the urge to post until now.

dogsbite.org- fear mongering to perpetuate nonsense. no factual based information, not interested in promoting some attempt at ‘rational’ discussion.

Dog Bite studies to date hold little-to-no relevance. Scanning classified ads, ‘news’ reports and websites does not constitute as a study. The number of four-legged canines which reside in the USA is unknown, although of course they are estimates. DNA testing is no where near 100% accurate. The nearly unimaginable number of unregulated breeding and inbreeding presents a muddled picture of ungatherable data. Many other factors too long to list as why dog bite statistics are bunk.

Aggression is a behavior. Behavior is learned. Behavior is a response to outside stimuli. No human or canine is born to kill. No human or canine is bred to kill. The idea a ‘pit bull’ is alien to such concrete evidence and data, is absurd. Those who believe such nonsense, should take a hard look in the mirror. Breeding for a predisposition does not guarantee behavior, i.e. a male and female human are tenacious business people, so they breed to pop out offspring who run fortune 500 companies.

Now

Canines inflicting damage upon humans and fellow canines, is an insolvable event as whole. Again, behavior IS learned. But just as human miscreants will roam the earth no matter the learning and government legislation, even ‘properly’ raised and cared for animals-human included-have within them the ability to act, even for an instance, outside of their given temperament inexplicably. In other problematic events the human/canine relationship is a beautiful marriage that is either not taken seriously or the given individual doesn’t have the capability to understand and act accordingly. In both instances, law will change nothing, each fall under unpreventable human error.

SO in short, the original poster is responsible for following animal control laws, and if not, such as allowing a puppy to run public streets free where not permissible, then should an event take place, the owner will deal with issues–legal, stares– accordingly.

[natty]

sigh….have read the board going on many years. never felt the urge to post until now.

dogsbite.org- fear mongering to perpetuate nonsense. no factual based information, not interested in promoting some attempt at ‘rational’ discussion.

Dog Bite studies to date hold little-to-no relevance. Scanning classified ads, ‘news’ reports and websites does not constitute as a study. The number of four-legged canines which reside in the USA is unknown, although of course they are estimates. DNA testing is no where near 100% accurate. The nearly unimaginable number of unregulated breeding and inbreeding presents a muddled picture of ungatherable data. Many other factors too long to list as why dog bite statistics are bunk.

Aggression is a behavior. Behavior is learned. Behavior is a response to outside stimuli. No human or canine is born to kill. No human or canine is bred to kill. The idea a ‘pit bull’ is alien to such concrete evidence and data, is absurd. Those who believe such nonsense, should take a hard look in the mirror. Breeding for a predisposition does not guarantee behavior, i.e. a male and female human are tenacious business people, so they breed to pop out offspring who run fortune 500 companies.

Now

Canines inflicting damage upon humans and fellow canines, is an insolvable event as whole. Again, behavior IS learned. But just as human miscreants will roam the earth no matter the learning and government legislation, even ‘properly’ raised and cared for animals-human included-have within them the ability to act, even for an instance, outside of their given temperament inexplicably. In other problematic events the human/canine relationship is a beautiful marriage that is either not taken seriously or the given individual doesn’t have the capability to understand and act accordingly. In both instances, law will change nothing, each fall under unpreventable human error.

SO in short, the original poster is responsible for following animal control laws, and if not, such as allowing a puppy to run public streets free where not permissible, then should an event take place, the owner will deal with issues–legal, stares– accordingly.

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