[natty]

Obesity is an imaginary word used on a sliding scale.
BMI is bunk. body weight/height ARE up for interpretation. Take for instance a 6′ tall, 215lb athlete, true body fat percentage 4%, but by BMI calculations, 29.2 and overweight-nearing ‘obese’.

Even within BMI, countries have different ‘normalcy ranges’. The calculation is stated as a risk assessment tool, and when coupled with ANY other ‘risks’, can be an indicator for shorter life expectancy. A more general statement is difficult to find when it comes to health.

A more accurate body fat percentage measurement is not performed by your local physician. Hydrostatic body fat testing is a method.

For me, the places I frequent, activities I participate in, people I would classify as adversely overweight are not an overwhelming common sight.

The reality is, we are all in the process of dying, some faster than others by choice, some not by choice, some by random life events.

Are diet and nutrition widely understood, of course not. Are many restaurant options more concerned with profit than raw food quality, of course. Is large scale food mfg/processing ‘made’, and not ‘natural’, yes.

Is there a solvable problem here? No.

[natty]

Obesity is an imaginary word used on a sliding scale.
BMI is bunk. body weight/height ARE up for interpretation. Take for instance a 6′ tall, 215lb athlete, true body fat percentage 4%, but by BMI calculations, 29.2 and overweight-nearing ‘obese’.

Even within BMI, countries have different ‘normalcy ranges’. The calculation is stated as a risk assessment tool, and when coupled with ANY other ‘risks’, can be an indicator for shorter life expectancy. A more general statement is difficult to find when it comes to health.

A more accurate body fat percentage measurement is not performed by your local physician. Hydrostatic body fat testing is a method.

For me, the places I frequent, activities I participate in, people I would classify as adversely overweight are not an overwhelming common sight.

The reality is, we are all in the process of dying, some faster than others by choice, some not by choice, some by random life events.

Are diet and nutrition widely understood, of course not. Are many restaurant options more concerned with profit than raw food quality, of course. Is large scale food mfg/processing ‘made’, and not ‘natural’, yes.

Is there a solvable problem here? No.

[natty]

Obesity is an imaginary word used on a sliding scale.
BMI is bunk. body weight/height ARE up for interpretation. Take for instance a 6′ tall, 215lb athlete, true body fat percentage 4%, but by BMI calculations, 29.2 and overweight-nearing ‘obese’.

Even within BMI, countries have different ‘normalcy ranges’. The calculation is stated as a risk assessment tool, and when coupled with ANY other ‘risks’, can be an indicator for shorter life expectancy. A more general statement is difficult to find when it comes to health.

A more accurate body fat percentage measurement is not performed by your local physician. Hydrostatic body fat testing is a method.

For me, the places I frequent, activities I participate in, people I would classify as adversely overweight are not an overwhelming common sight.

The reality is, we are all in the process of dying, some faster than others by choice, some not by choice, some by random life events.

Are diet and nutrition widely understood, of course not. Are many restaurant options more concerned with profit than raw food quality, of course. Is large scale food mfg/processing ‘made’, and not ‘natural’, yes.

Is there a solvable problem here? No.

[natty]

Obesity is an imaginary word used on a sliding scale.
BMI is bunk. body weight/height ARE up for interpretation. Take for instance a 6′ tall, 215lb athlete, true body fat percentage 4%, but by BMI calculations, 29.2 and overweight-nearing ‘obese’.

Even within BMI, countries have different ‘normalcy ranges’. The calculation is stated as a risk assessment tool, and when coupled with ANY other ‘risks’, can be an indicator for shorter life expectancy. A more general statement is difficult to find when it comes to health.

A more accurate body fat percentage measurement is not performed by your local physician. Hydrostatic body fat testing is a method.

For me, the places I frequent, activities I participate in, people I would classify as adversely overweight are not an overwhelming common sight.

The reality is, we are all in the process of dying, some faster than others by choice, some not by choice, some by random life events.

Are diet and nutrition widely understood, of course not. Are many restaurant options more concerned with profit than raw food quality, of course. Is large scale food mfg/processing ‘made’, and not ‘natural’, yes.

Is there a solvable problem here? No.

[natty]

Obesity is an imaginary word used on a sliding scale.
BMI is bunk. body weight/height ARE up for interpretation. Take for instance a 6′ tall, 215lb athlete, true body fat percentage 4%, but by BMI calculations, 29.2 and overweight-nearing ‘obese’.

Even within BMI, countries have different ‘normalcy ranges’. The calculation is stated as a risk assessment tool, and when coupled with ANY other ‘risks’, can be an indicator for shorter life expectancy. A more general statement is difficult to find when it comes to health.

A more accurate body fat percentage measurement is not performed by your local physician. Hydrostatic body fat testing is a method.

For me, the places I frequent, activities I participate in, people I would classify as adversely overweight are not an overwhelming common sight.

The reality is, we are all in the process of dying, some faster than others by choice, some not by choice, some by random life events.

Are diet and nutrition widely understood, of course not. Are many restaurant options more concerned with profit than raw food quality, of course. Is large scale food mfg/processing ‘made’, and not ‘natural’, yes.

Is there a solvable problem here? No.

[natty]

[quote=SkyRanchOwner]natty, I’m not confused. I bought in an area that already had major depreciation like Chula Vista and San Marcos. They were the first to take major drops unlike Carmel Valley, Del Mar, Rancho Bernardo, and other areas that have MAJOR high-end shadow inventory that will soon push average home prices even lower for those areas, in my opinion. People in these areas have hung on longer and are sitting in their homes, milking the system for every drop of free rent.

Sky Ranch was built after the RE crash started, and Lennar corrected the home prices to match current market values. Of course, prices are still dropping, yet I don’t feel they will drop as much as other areas have yet to drop that were built on the RE boom time, especially areas like 4S Ranch.

Let me clarify, that when I speak of investment, I’m not confused. I’m talking long-term investment, not just someone looking to “flip” or as we call now “flop” in the short-term. Everyone wants a quick buck. We bought in an area and community that we thought mitigated against many current RE risks out there, especially in the higher end areas, that, as I mentioned, in my opinion, still have a ways to go in correction to come back to reality. Again, we are thinking long-term, versus short term, as, natty, you may be thinking.

If you had bought property in East Village or other areas, before the boom, wouldn’t you have made money? Areas that undergo GENTRIFICATION can appreciate in value and increase the demand for that area. All it takes is the right plan, execution, and a little time and patience, which, unfortunately, most people don’t have these days.

All I have to tell you, which is a fact, is that homes are still selling in Sky Ranch! Sure, prices will fluctuate, but that fluctuation will be reduced, in my opinion. Once Sky Ranch is built out, and there are no more homes left, except resale, prices will go up. It will be a simple supply and demand, economical process. Sky Ranch is the BEST, NEW community in East County per location, views, home size, lot size, commute time, and many other factors.

PS – I don’t plan on moving anytime soon, because I really like it here, yet I would rather have positive equity than negative equity in my home any time of the day. So, I see less risk of this versus all the other new home buyers who bought during the boom period and are already majorly underwater, 3-5 years out…[/quote]

had been meaning to get back to this.
im not questioning your long term investment vs flip.

you originally stated that you bought independent of cost at the time because you anticipate the value of your property to increase over time. you were willing to absorb ANOTHER 30% drop in value because of x,y,z. now you have gone to great lengths to explain that original thought process, but within those explanations seems to be the underlying idea that you will make money on your investment. that you see less risk in the area you purchased in vs. those you have selected to compare with. This is where confusion arrives.

this is point people are disagreeing with.

if you were to write you bought home in sky ranch because you loved it for aesthetic reason(view, lifestyle, shops, etc.) and that $ played no role now or in 30 years, I would fall in line and go on my way.

But that’s not what you are writing. You are now writing you bought there because you anticipate the value of your property to rise, you ‘believe’ in the entire community plan & residents, and you foresaw less risk at the time of purchase in this area vs. the other areas you looked.

Because you have convinced yourself you made the correct decision now & future, does not mean others are incorrect for questioning your logic & reasons in selecting the area at the assumed cost you did.

[natty]

[quote=SkyRanchOwner]natty, I’m not confused. I bought in an area that already had major depreciation like Chula Vista and San Marcos. They were the first to take major drops unlike Carmel Valley, Del Mar, Rancho Bernardo, and other areas that have MAJOR high-end shadow inventory that will soon push average home prices even lower for those areas, in my opinion. People in these areas have hung on longer and are sitting in their homes, milking the system for every drop of free rent.

Sky Ranch was built after the RE crash started, and Lennar corrected the home prices to match current market values. Of course, prices are still dropping, yet I don’t feel they will drop as much as other areas have yet to drop that were built on the RE boom time, especially areas like 4S Ranch.

Let me clarify, that when I speak of investment, I’m not confused. I’m talking long-term investment, not just someone looking to “flip” or as we call now “flop” in the short-term. Everyone wants a quick buck. We bought in an area and community that we thought mitigated against many current RE risks out there, especially in the higher end areas, that, as I mentioned, in my opinion, still have a ways to go in correction to come back to reality. Again, we are thinking long-term, versus short term, as, natty, you may be thinking.

If you had bought property in East Village or other areas, before the boom, wouldn’t you have made money? Areas that undergo GENTRIFICATION can appreciate in value and increase the demand for that area. All it takes is the right plan, execution, and a little time and patience, which, unfortunately, most people don’t have these days.

All I have to tell you, which is a fact, is that homes are still selling in Sky Ranch! Sure, prices will fluctuate, but that fluctuation will be reduced, in my opinion. Once Sky Ranch is built out, and there are no more homes left, except resale, prices will go up. It will be a simple supply and demand, economical process. Sky Ranch is the BEST, NEW community in East County per location, views, home size, lot size, commute time, and many other factors.

PS – I don’t plan on moving anytime soon, because I really like it here, yet I would rather have positive equity than negative equity in my home any time of the day. So, I see less risk of this versus all the other new home buyers who bought during the boom period and are already majorly underwater, 3-5 years out…[/quote]

had been meaning to get back to this.
im not questioning your long term investment vs flip.

you originally stated that you bought independent of cost at the time because you anticipate the value of your property to increase over time. you were willing to absorb ANOTHER 30% drop in value because of x,y,z. now you have gone to great lengths to explain that original thought process, but within those explanations seems to be the underlying idea that you will make money on your investment. that you see less risk in the area you purchased in vs. those you have selected to compare with. This is where confusion arrives.

this is point people are disagreeing with.

if you were to write you bought home in sky ranch because you loved it for aesthetic reason(view, lifestyle, shops, etc.) and that $ played no role now or in 30 years, I would fall in line and go on my way.

But that’s not what you are writing. You are now writing you bought there because you anticipate the value of your property to rise, you ‘believe’ in the entire community plan & residents, and you foresaw less risk at the time of purchase in this area vs. the other areas you looked.

Because you have convinced yourself you made the correct decision now & future, does not mean others are incorrect for questioning your logic & reasons in selecting the area at the assumed cost you did.

[natty]

[quote=SkyRanchOwner]natty, I’m not confused. I bought in an area that already had major depreciation like Chula Vista and San Marcos. They were the first to take major drops unlike Carmel Valley, Del Mar, Rancho Bernardo, and other areas that have MAJOR high-end shadow inventory that will soon push average home prices even lower for those areas, in my opinion. People in these areas have hung on longer and are sitting in their homes, milking the system for every drop of free rent.

Sky Ranch was built after the RE crash started, and Lennar corrected the home prices to match current market values. Of course, prices are still dropping, yet I don’t feel they will drop as much as other areas have yet to drop that were built on the RE boom time, especially areas like 4S Ranch.

Let me clarify, that when I speak of investment, I’m not confused. I’m talking long-term investment, not just someone looking to “flip” or as we call now “flop” in the short-term. Everyone wants a quick buck. We bought in an area and community that we thought mitigated against many current RE risks out there, especially in the higher end areas, that, as I mentioned, in my opinion, still have a ways to go in correction to come back to reality. Again, we are thinking long-term, versus short term, as, natty, you may be thinking.

If you had bought property in East Village or other areas, before the boom, wouldn’t you have made money? Areas that undergo GENTRIFICATION can appreciate in value and increase the demand for that area. All it takes is the right plan, execution, and a little time and patience, which, unfortunately, most people don’t have these days.

All I have to tell you, which is a fact, is that homes are still selling in Sky Ranch! Sure, prices will fluctuate, but that fluctuation will be reduced, in my opinion. Once Sky Ranch is built out, and there are no more homes left, except resale, prices will go up. It will be a simple supply and demand, economical process. Sky Ranch is the BEST, NEW community in East County per location, views, home size, lot size, commute time, and many other factors.

PS – I don’t plan on moving anytime soon, because I really like it here, yet I would rather have positive equity than negative equity in my home any time of the day. So, I see less risk of this versus all the other new home buyers who bought during the boom period and are already majorly underwater, 3-5 years out…[/quote]

had been meaning to get back to this.
im not questioning your long term investment vs flip.

you originally stated that you bought independent of cost at the time because you anticipate the value of your property to increase over time. you were willing to absorb ANOTHER 30% drop in value because of x,y,z. now you have gone to great lengths to explain that original thought process, but within those explanations seems to be the underlying idea that you will make money on your investment. that you see less risk in the area you purchased in vs. those you have selected to compare with. This is where confusion arrives.

this is point people are disagreeing with.

if you were to write you bought home in sky ranch because you loved it for aesthetic reason(view, lifestyle, shops, etc.) and that $ played no role now or in 30 years, I would fall in line and go on my way.

But that’s not what you are writing. You are now writing you bought there because you anticipate the value of your property to rise, you ‘believe’ in the entire community plan & residents, and you foresaw less risk at the time of purchase in this area vs. the other areas you looked.

Because you have convinced yourself you made the correct decision now & future, does not mean others are incorrect for questioning your logic & reasons in selecting the area at the assumed cost you did.

[natty]

[quote=SkyRanchOwner]natty, I’m not confused. I bought in an area that already had major depreciation like Chula Vista and San Marcos. They were the first to take major drops unlike Carmel Valley, Del Mar, Rancho Bernardo, and other areas that have MAJOR high-end shadow inventory that will soon push average home prices even lower for those areas, in my opinion. People in these areas have hung on longer and are sitting in their homes, milking the system for every drop of free rent.

Sky Ranch was built after the RE crash started, and Lennar corrected the home prices to match current market values. Of course, prices are still dropping, yet I don’t feel they will drop as much as other areas have yet to drop that were built on the RE boom time, especially areas like 4S Ranch.

Let me clarify, that when I speak of investment, I’m not confused. I’m talking long-term investment, not just someone looking to “flip” or as we call now “flop” in the short-term. Everyone wants a quick buck. We bought in an area and community that we thought mitigated against many current RE risks out there, especially in the higher end areas, that, as I mentioned, in my opinion, still have a ways to go in correction to come back to reality. Again, we are thinking long-term, versus short term, as, natty, you may be thinking.

If you had bought property in East Village or other areas, before the boom, wouldn’t you have made money? Areas that undergo GENTRIFICATION can appreciate in value and increase the demand for that area. All it takes is the right plan, execution, and a little time and patience, which, unfortunately, most people don’t have these days.

All I have to tell you, which is a fact, is that homes are still selling in Sky Ranch! Sure, prices will fluctuate, but that fluctuation will be reduced, in my opinion. Once Sky Ranch is built out, and there are no more homes left, except resale, prices will go up. It will be a simple supply and demand, economical process. Sky Ranch is the BEST, NEW community in East County per location, views, home size, lot size, commute time, and many other factors.

PS – I don’t plan on moving anytime soon, because I really like it here, yet I would rather have positive equity than negative equity in my home any time of the day. So, I see less risk of this versus all the other new home buyers who bought during the boom period and are already majorly underwater, 3-5 years out…[/quote]

had been meaning to get back to this.
im not questioning your long term investment vs flip.

you originally stated that you bought independent of cost at the time because you anticipate the value of your property to increase over time. you were willing to absorb ANOTHER 30% drop in value because of x,y,z. now you have gone to great lengths to explain that original thought process, but within those explanations seems to be the underlying idea that you will make money on your investment. that you see less risk in the area you purchased in vs. those you have selected to compare with. This is where confusion arrives.

this is point people are disagreeing with.

if you were to write you bought home in sky ranch because you loved it for aesthetic reason(view, lifestyle, shops, etc.) and that $ played no role now or in 30 years, I would fall in line and go on my way.

But that’s not what you are writing. You are now writing you bought there because you anticipate the value of your property to rise, you ‘believe’ in the entire community plan & residents, and you foresaw less risk at the time of purchase in this area vs. the other areas you looked.

Because you have convinced yourself you made the correct decision now & future, does not mean others are incorrect for questioning your logic & reasons in selecting the area at the assumed cost you did.

[natty]

[quote=SkyRanchOwner]natty, I’m not confused. I bought in an area that already had major depreciation like Chula Vista and San Marcos. They were the first to take major drops unlike Carmel Valley, Del Mar, Rancho Bernardo, and other areas that have MAJOR high-end shadow inventory that will soon push average home prices even lower for those areas, in my opinion. People in these areas have hung on longer and are sitting in their homes, milking the system for every drop of free rent.

Sky Ranch was built after the RE crash started, and Lennar corrected the home prices to match current market values. Of course, prices are still dropping, yet I don’t feel they will drop as much as other areas have yet to drop that were built on the RE boom time, especially areas like 4S Ranch.

Let me clarify, that when I speak of investment, I’m not confused. I’m talking long-term investment, not just someone looking to “flip” or as we call now “flop” in the short-term. Everyone wants a quick buck. We bought in an area and community that we thought mitigated against many current RE risks out there, especially in the higher end areas, that, as I mentioned, in my opinion, still have a ways to go in correction to come back to reality. Again, we are thinking long-term, versus short term, as, natty, you may be thinking.

If you had bought property in East Village or other areas, before the boom, wouldn’t you have made money? Areas that undergo GENTRIFICATION can appreciate in value and increase the demand for that area. All it takes is the right plan, execution, and a little time and patience, which, unfortunately, most people don’t have these days.

All I have to tell you, which is a fact, is that homes are still selling in Sky Ranch! Sure, prices will fluctuate, but that fluctuation will be reduced, in my opinion. Once Sky Ranch is built out, and there are no more homes left, except resale, prices will go up. It will be a simple supply and demand, economical process. Sky Ranch is the BEST, NEW community in East County per location, views, home size, lot size, commute time, and many other factors.

PS – I don’t plan on moving anytime soon, because I really like it here, yet I would rather have positive equity than negative equity in my home any time of the day. So, I see less risk of this versus all the other new home buyers who bought during the boom period and are already majorly underwater, 3-5 years out…[/quote]

had been meaning to get back to this.
im not questioning your long term investment vs flip.

you originally stated that you bought independent of cost at the time because you anticipate the value of your property to increase over time. you were willing to absorb ANOTHER 30% drop in value because of x,y,z. now you have gone to great lengths to explain that original thought process, but within those explanations seems to be the underlying idea that you will make money on your investment. that you see less risk in the area you purchased in vs. those you have selected to compare with. This is where confusion arrives.

this is point people are disagreeing with.

if you were to write you bought home in sky ranch because you loved it for aesthetic reason(view, lifestyle, shops, etc.) and that $ played no role now or in 30 years, I would fall in line and go on my way.

But that’s not what you are writing. You are now writing you bought there because you anticipate the value of your property to rise, you ‘believe’ in the entire community plan & residents, and you foresaw less risk at the time of purchase in this area vs. the other areas you looked.

Because you have convinced yourself you made the correct decision now & future, does not mean others are incorrect for questioning your logic & reasons in selecting the area at the assumed cost you did.

[natty]

[quote=walterwhite]i think we are encouraged to suffer from this. i read an article in a recent trade journal about “confidence” in my line of work. a successful person said when she was young, she was asked by senior partner if she knew how to do a particular task ona tight timeline. she said ‘sure!” she gave this as an example of the correct way to be at work to move ahead. i understand a can-do attitude, and “fake it till you make it”, the problem is, dude, you may be the guy who leaks a billion barrels int he gulf or whatever. on the other hand, president is so complex a task no one is really competent, i suppose.[/quote]

agree about president. i look at phrases such as; “hard worker”, claims of possessing ability to multi task or thinking outside of box etc., as general offspring of a can-do attitude. such encouragement for developing young people is to subscribe to attribution bias, e.g., I’m successful because of hard work.

[natty]

[quote=walterwhite]i think we are encouraged to suffer from this. i read an article in a recent trade journal about “confidence” in my line of work. a successful person said when she was young, she was asked by senior partner if she knew how to do a particular task ona tight timeline. she said ‘sure!” she gave this as an example of the correct way to be at work to move ahead. i understand a can-do attitude, and “fake it till you make it”, the problem is, dude, you may be the guy who leaks a billion barrels int he gulf or whatever. on the other hand, president is so complex a task no one is really competent, i suppose.[/quote]

agree about president. i look at phrases such as; “hard worker”, claims of possessing ability to multi task or thinking outside of box etc., as general offspring of a can-do attitude. such encouragement for developing young people is to subscribe to attribution bias, e.g., I’m successful because of hard work.

[natty]

[quote=walterwhite]i think we are encouraged to suffer from this. i read an article in a recent trade journal about “confidence” in my line of work. a successful person said when she was young, she was asked by senior partner if she knew how to do a particular task ona tight timeline. she said ‘sure!” she gave this as an example of the correct way to be at work to move ahead. i understand a can-do attitude, and “fake it till you make it”, the problem is, dude, you may be the guy who leaks a billion barrels int he gulf or whatever. on the other hand, president is so complex a task no one is really competent, i suppose.[/quote]

agree about president. i look at phrases such as; “hard worker”, claims of possessing ability to multi task or thinking outside of box etc., as general offspring of a can-do attitude. such encouragement for developing young people is to subscribe to attribution bias, e.g., I’m successful because of hard work.

[natty]

[quote=walterwhite]i think we are encouraged to suffer from this. i read an article in a recent trade journal about “confidence” in my line of work. a successful person said when she was young, she was asked by senior partner if she knew how to do a particular task ona tight timeline. she said ‘sure!” she gave this as an example of the correct way to be at work to move ahead. i understand a can-do attitude, and “fake it till you make it”, the problem is, dude, you may be the guy who leaks a billion barrels int he gulf or whatever. on the other hand, president is so complex a task no one is really competent, i suppose.[/quote]

agree about president. i look at phrases such as; “hard worker”, claims of possessing ability to multi task or thinking outside of box etc., as general offspring of a can-do attitude. such encouragement for developing young people is to subscribe to attribution bias, e.g., I’m successful because of hard work.

[natty]

[quote=walterwhite]i think we are encouraged to suffer from this. i read an article in a recent trade journal about “confidence” in my line of work. a successful person said when she was young, she was asked by senior partner if she knew how to do a particular task ona tight timeline. she said ‘sure!” she gave this as an example of the correct way to be at work to move ahead. i understand a can-do attitude, and “fake it till you make it”, the problem is, dude, you may be the guy who leaks a billion barrels int he gulf or whatever. on the other hand, president is so complex a task no one is really competent, i suppose.[/quote]

agree about president. i look at phrases such as; “hard worker”, claims of possessing ability to multi task or thinking outside of box etc., as general offspring of a can-do attitude. such encouragement for developing young people is to subscribe to attribution bias, e.g., I’m successful because of hard work.

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