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Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Oh, wow, you really DON’T get it. I have never applied for positions where Spanish was a “requirement.” But in my biz, if a SD job description doesn’t state it is a requirement, it is always “preferred.” And you’re damned straight that in my biz the most “senior positions” ARE occupied by the “oldest people in the building.” Usually people who are well past retirement age. And due to my experience level, the jobs I apply for typically answer to the “oldest people in the building.” That’s just how it is.[/quote]
Probably depends on the type of attorney firm you were applying for. If it is immigration law, it’s definitely a yes. One of my good friends is a partner at one the largest and oldest firms in SD and he does not speak a word of Spanish. Either way, you have to admit it’s not because of age discrimination. It is usually due to other qualifications, which is usually based on the bottom line.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
You have a point about the law school graduate. Law firms will take a “green” law school graduate to do paralegal work over a paralegal with a lot of experience. Law school graduates (whether they have their bar card, or not) WILL work as paralegal because there are not enough attorney positions to go around and haven’t been for at least 15 years. The country is glutted with law school graduates. Part of the reason is that many attorneys stay with their firms long past the age of 65, taking up an “attorney” spot. I know I was discriminated against when (several years ago, before the ACA) I was asked in three different interviews, “How has your health been? and “Have you been healthy, lately?” They wanted to know how much it was going to cost them to provide me with health insurance (small firms) before deciding whether to make a job offer to me … or not. One of the interviewers even took out a clipboard in my interview and started adding up salary and benefits in front of me to see what the total would be! It was uncalled for because I am fit, dress well, present well and wear a size 6-8. I can assure you that they don’t ask those kinds of questions to a 32 year-old in a job interview. And why should I compensate by telling them that I don’t want or need a health policy when they are providing it to their younger workforce?Of course, you millenials really have no idea about how overt discrimination feels because you have never experienced it … yet. That day will come and it might be sooner than you think.[/quote]
Ok so it sounds like you were a paralegal. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought most paralegals were interim positions for people that just finished their undergraduate and were looking for a mentorship program waiting to either go to Law School or pass the Bar; afterwards they can start practicing and move up to the Attorney ranks. Is this not true? If that’s the case, it would be better for an Attorney to hire someone who they believed would move up to within the firm. Someone that they could vest time into so they can move up the chain. Not sure if it is similar to Accountants, but when my wife was working at a Big 4 firm they started as Juniors, and Seniors, and moved up to a Manager once they passed their CPA exam. I’m not sure how the company would look at a Senior who would never move up to Manager or Senior Manager, but I think that if they compared a person who had the ability to move up within the organization it would be a significant advantage.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]yamashi, in my biz, having fluent Spanish-speaking skills is a HUGE asset. I feel that my lack of Spanish may have played a part as well. I stopped looking a few years ago but this year, I have endeavored to get fluent. I really have no excuse. I can read and even transcribe Spanish just fine but my language skills off the cuff are lacking. That’s one of the drawbacks to living so close to the border.[/quote]
Then why do you keep complaining about age discrimination? Also not sure what the job was for, but if Spanish was a requirement then maybe you shouldn’t have applied; if wasn’t required, then the hiring manager must have thought that you were not worth the money they would be spending. I know a lot of people that don’t speak Spanish that do very very well living in San Diego. Also when it comes to hiring, companies spend money on the most qualified employees that will bring in the most money. If they are a cost center, they are looking for the most qualified that costs the least. Employees are similar to investments, and companies make decision on an ROI/NPV analysis. You always pick the one that will generate the highest ROI, or if you use NPV anything that generates > $0. Maybe you don’t get it as a boomer and believe in facetime and that the most senior positions belong to the oldest people in the building.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
People like skerzz are “professionals” so they don’t have to compete for jobs with the “problem children” and so don’t have a clue about being rejected in favor of them. I do not have a college degree but possess an ABA-approved paralegal certificate from USD in Business litigation. Our classes were “500-level” classes and I have 33 years experience in the field. The goth chick with the iphone appendage that I described here (or the applicant with the white shirt with black bra peeking out from it) IS my competition today for jobs …. especially if she/he speaks fluent Spanish! (I just borrowed some Rosetta Stone SW and will endeavor to brush up as I have taken ten years worth of Spanish classes, lol.) The bottom line is that employers want young employees. They don’t care what they have to go through with them day-to-day but they want young and I accepted that fact ten years ago.
I’m actually not bitter. I am better off as an “independent contractor.” I’m just really happy that my kids received and are pursuing viable college degrees in fields that are in demand :=)[/quote]
Skerzz probably be better to let BG go. She’s an old boomer who doesn’t want to understand how Millenials think and just likes to talk about how she did things in the good old days. I run into old people like her all the time and would normally not spend the time of day talking to people like her. There are many times I have tried to explain how Millenials are all about the bottom line, and age nor color, or religion has anything to do with it. I try and tell her that Millenials are all about results, ROI’s and bottom lines but she doesn’t get it. I’m not sure what it is…probably just plain ignorance. Either way, she seems to want to spin things so she can throw another story from her life and how her generation is so great.
BG, not sure why you didn’t get the job, nor what you applied for, but I’m sure there was a very good reason other than age. But if you feel that is the reason to help you sleep better than go for it! Personally, our generation doesn’t care about how you look or how you dress or any of that like your generation may have. Maybe in the position you were applying for it really didn’t matter. Maybe she dressed that way but she just graduated from Harvard Law at the top of her class. Maybe you were asking for too much…so much so that it was not even a break-even proposition. There are so many variables that are at play here that your points are not worth discussing.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
No he got in to sdsu and cal poly Pomona. Still waiting on San Luis obispo, and my first choice, the coast guard academy. I like cal poly Pomona… Location wise it works for me…[/quote]
I imagine coast guard academy is pretty difficult. I remember applying for us naval academy and the application process was a very difficult task. Which included nominations and interviews as I described earlier.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl] I don’t believe the UC requires essays for admission, either. (Any Pigg please correct me if I’m wrong about this.) [/quote]
Just checked UC requirements just being curious. You are required to do two essays, or personal-statements
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/how-to-apply/personal-statement/index.html
All applicants must respond to two essay prompts — the general prompt and either the freshman or transfer prompt, depending on your status.
Freshman applicant prompt
Describe the world you come from — for example, your family, community or school — and tell us how your world has shaped your dreams and aspirations.
When you’re composing your personal statement, think about including:
Personal triumphs or challenges: Tell us about your achievements in light of the opportunities available to you. If you choose to write about challenges you’ve faced, how did you overcome or strive to overcome them?
Leadership opportunities: Define your leadership role, your accomplishments, and what you learned from the experience. Remember, a leader can mean more than being elected to a position. Consider describing a time when you had to be a leader in your family or community.
Experiences outside the classroom: Consider experiences that have made an impact on your life (e.g., your family, youth groups, work, church/temple, or travels).
Culture: Describe the influence culture has had on you. Don’t define the culture. Instead explain what you have learned because of that culture.Once you’ve narrowed down your topics, start thinking about what you learned from your experiences and how they shaped other aspects of your life.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]yamashi, the CSU hasn’t required or even wanted an essay from an applicant in at least ten years. I don’t believe the UC requires essays for admission, either. (Any Pigg please correct me if I’m wrong about this.) [/quote] Good to know, I’ll tell my kids in another 8 years after we know what they want to do. From my personal experience I don’t remember applying to a school without an essay portion on the application. Also, I had a couple who I had to interview with. There were some that needed references who the school would call. I made sure that I got some high ranking state officials on that one.
Participant[quote=skerzz] The alternative is to forgo the wife’s income which would significantly increase our effective household “daycare” costs and significantly decrease our forced “contribution” (i.e. tax burden) to the “greater good”.[/quote]
Yes this contribution is very significant if you consider missed promotional opportunities, annual increases, 401k matches etc.. In any case, by the time the child goes to Kindergarten or 1st Grade, my wife would have been born out of her mind while the kids are at school.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl] He stated he is paying $3000 month for daycare for 2 kids. The other $1000 month is for “extracurricular activities” for the school-age child.[/quote]
The extra 800-1000 is actually for after school care for two of them. The rest of extracurricular is above that.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]If your paying that much, more than likely for most people it pays for one parent to stay home (at least until they are school age).
At least it’s a write off.[/quote]
I can’t speak for most people, since many I associate with are in the same position. For us it was a personal decision to stay home. My wife really enjoys her work and didn’t want to put her career on hold…same with me. Fiscally it also doesn’t make sense for us. Regarding the write-off I can only write the first $5k off my AGI.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]If your paying that much, more than likely for most people it pays for one parent to stay home (at least until they are school age).
At least it’s a write off.[/quote]
I can’t speak for most people, since many I associate with are in the same position. For us it was a personal decision to stay home. My wife really enjoys her work and didn’t want to put her career on hold…same with me. Fiscally it also doesn’t make sense for us. Regarding the write-off I can only write the first $5k off my AGI.
Participant[quote=skerzz]
I know several very “successful” women in my profession (high ranking partners at large international accounting firms) that have had successful careers while also having had multiple children that are very close in age. These women are not part of the older boomer generation, so maybe your misconceived perception is due to the fact that not many boomer women did (or could do) this under the old school “face time”/”seniority” above-all-else work mentality of the good ‘ol days. [/quote]
Yes this would be my CPA wife who worked for one of the big 4 as an auditor for her first 8 years after college. During that time they were very flexible with her schedule which allowed her the freedom to manage a career and mother at the same time. My daughter enjoys the fact that her mother is a well respected professional and is her inspiration.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
$3K month is way too much to pay for child care for two kids, imho, esp since you say you have a “flexible schedule” and you have one kid in school all day.[/quote]BG, Trust me we have looked at all options and have chose the one we have now for a reason. At first, we did the nanny thing and it worked OK for about 2 months. Looked into the au pair thing too, but it’s not as cheap as it seems because you have to pay for her meals, education (to maintain her visa), flights to and from training, etc. In addition, my wife really isn’t keen on the idea of having non related live with us.
Also, btw just having a flex schedule doesn’t mean I can work from home and watch them all day. I’m in my office taking calls and doing work.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]yamashi, at current direction the UC is headed in (and has been headed in for the last few years), do you think all of that is going to matter to the UC Admissions Board ten years from now when your oldest is on pins and needles after applying for eight campuses (choices 1 thru 8) wondering where he/she will end up (if anywhere) and wondering if they should have simultaneously applied to 6-8 CSU campuses as well (just to be on the “safe” side)? Of course, this is assuming that he/she is qualified to apply to both systems.[/quote]
I think we’ll figure it out when we get to it. Hell she might want to use the money I saved for her to start a business and be the sociopath on the top! Also I think in 10 years we’ll kind of know a little more about where she can realistically get into and cannot. Not sure what your point is, but if it is pro CSU I get it. Many of my friends went to community colleges and transferred to fantastic (according to US News) schools once they got out. Either way, only time will tell what they want to do. Personally, I would like them to start a business so I can have something to do once I get old.
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