[mike92104]

[quote=CA renter][quote=patientrenter][quote=threadkiller]…I figure deporting 22,000 illegal students would save approximately 170 Million dollars yearly…/quote]

Sounds about right. But then we’d be obliged to create a sustainable 100% first world economy. Your hamburger might cost more, and you might be doing your own landscaping and housekeeping.[/quote]

Hogwash! Just a couple of decades ago, American kids were doing these jobs. It’s high time we give them the same chance we had to work in an entry-level job and gain some work experience.

What we “save” by using illegal labor, we spend on their education, prison, infrastructure, legal, housing, etc. costs. Labor performed by illegal labor is only “cheap” for their employers. The rest of us pick up the tab (and suffer the reduced quality of life) in order to sustain the employers’ profits.[/quote]

I think the problem here is the complicated processes one has to go through to work in this country. We need to make it much more simple. Show up, sign your name, pay your taxes.

[mike92104]

[quote=CA renter][quote=patientrenter][quote=threadkiller]…I figure deporting 22,000 illegal students would save approximately 170 Million dollars yearly…/quote]

Sounds about right. But then we’d be obliged to create a sustainable 100% first world economy. Your hamburger might cost more, and you might be doing your own landscaping and housekeeping.[/quote]

Hogwash! Just a couple of decades ago, American kids were doing these jobs. It’s high time we give them the same chance we had to work in an entry-level job and gain some work experience.

What we “save” by using illegal labor, we spend on their education, prison, infrastructure, legal, housing, etc. costs. Labor performed by illegal labor is only “cheap” for their employers. The rest of us pick up the tab (and suffer the reduced quality of life) in order to sustain the employers’ profits.[/quote]

I think the problem here is the complicated processes one has to go through to work in this country. We need to make it much more simple. Show up, sign your name, pay your taxes.

[mike92104]

[quote=CA renter][quote=patientrenter][quote=threadkiller]…I figure deporting 22,000 illegal students would save approximately 170 Million dollars yearly…/quote]

Sounds about right. But then we’d be obliged to create a sustainable 100% first world economy. Your hamburger might cost more, and you might be doing your own landscaping and housekeeping.[/quote]

Hogwash! Just a couple of decades ago, American kids were doing these jobs. It’s high time we give them the same chance we had to work in an entry-level job and gain some work experience.

What we “save” by using illegal labor, we spend on their education, prison, infrastructure, legal, housing, etc. costs. Labor performed by illegal labor is only “cheap” for their employers. The rest of us pick up the tab (and suffer the reduced quality of life) in order to sustain the employers’ profits.[/quote]

I think the problem here is the complicated processes one has to go through to work in this country. We need to make it much more simple. Show up, sign your name, pay your taxes.

[mike92104]

[quote=CA renter][quote=patientrenter][quote=threadkiller]…I figure deporting 22,000 illegal students would save approximately 170 Million dollars yearly…/quote]

Sounds about right. But then we’d be obliged to create a sustainable 100% first world economy. Your hamburger might cost more, and you might be doing your own landscaping and housekeeping.[/quote]

Hogwash! Just a couple of decades ago, American kids were doing these jobs. It’s high time we give them the same chance we had to work in an entry-level job and gain some work experience.

What we “save” by using illegal labor, we spend on their education, prison, infrastructure, legal, housing, etc. costs. Labor performed by illegal labor is only “cheap” for their employers. The rest of us pick up the tab (and suffer the reduced quality of life) in order to sustain the employers’ profits.[/quote]

I think the problem here is the complicated processes one has to go through to work in this country. We need to make it much more simple. Show up, sign your name, pay your taxes.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.

[mike92104]

I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.

[mike92104]

I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.

[mike92104]

I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.

[mike92104]

I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.

[mike92104]

I understand Arraya’s gripe. I remember posting a complaint about a sudden surge in speed traps in my neighborhood shortly after the market hit bottom. It seemed as though all kinds of minor offenses which were not enforced, were suddenly being enforced with zeal. It seemed very obvious to me that it was a tactic to generate “revenue”, and it disproportionately affects lower income people.

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