[Kilohana]

I think I have a fair grasp on the situation…

Obama was not raised by his Muslim father. He did not choose his middle name. He did spend a couple of his early years at an Indonesian school, but it was not an official Muslim school. The students were predominately Muslim, but this was not required for attendance. He also attended a Catholic school in Indonesia. Why didn’t you mention that?

Why don’t you bother to mention that he spent far more time at Punahou (5th-12th grades) – which is a Christian based school? (Google it, if you like…)

So you’re suggesting that he has been faking his Christianity ever since he enrolled at Punahou as a 5th grader? That seems a bit far-fetched — and you have no proof to support your claim. It’s 100% speculation and conjecture.

Ayers and Wright are irrelevant. Their views and ideologies are their own. They do not advise Obama on policy and he does not share their views. He does not “pal around” with either of them.

This guilt by association stuff is really ridiculous. Is McCain a fraudster just because he was a good friend of Charles Keating? Is Palin a secessionist because she pals around with folks who would like to have seen Alaska split from the US? Didn’t we have a civil war last time this was tried? See how ridiculous this is?

…Then what was your point of bringing up Farrakhan if not to prove that somehow his endorsement is a solid indication of Obama’s religious and political leanings? Farrakhan and his followers exist on the fringe of society and are therefore completely irrelevant. He has no place in an Obama administration.

Calling people out on their lack of patriotism is a slippery slope, my friend. In America, we have the right to disagree. Your implication that I share views with Wright and Ayers is completely disgusting. I’m a card-carrying member of DAR. (You can research this organization if you like..) Tread lightly…

[Kilohana]

The vast majority of Muslims in America and the rest of the world consider NOI to be a joke.

From Wikipedia: The main belief of The Nation of Islam and its followers is that there is no God but Allah. However, they redefine “Allah” by saying “who came in the person of W. D. Fard.” Fard founded the Nation of Islam and subsequently installed Elijah Muhammad as the organization’s leader. Their teachings are heretical by traditional Islamic standards which abhor the deification of any person, or the anthropomorphization of God.

NOI is a fringe religion. Using the Farrakhan endorsement as a “connection” to tie Obama in with fundamental Islamists is ridiculous. (And yes, that is the implication made here…)

Farrakhan does not speak for Obama and he certainly is not a part of the Wahhabist movement responsible for attacks on the US. Again, that’s the implication of raising these “concerns” about Obama’s connection to anyone or anything Islam.

[Kilohana]

The vast majority of Muslims in America and the rest of the world consider NOI to be a joke.

From Wikipedia: The main belief of The Nation of Islam and its followers is that there is no God but Allah. However, they redefine “Allah” by saying “who came in the person of W. D. Fard.” Fard founded the Nation of Islam and subsequently installed Elijah Muhammad as the organization’s leader. Their teachings are heretical by traditional Islamic standards which abhor the deification of any person, or the anthropomorphization of God.

NOI is a fringe religion. Using the Farrakhan endorsement as a “connection” to tie Obama in with fundamental Islamists is ridiculous. (And yes, that is the implication made here…)

Farrakhan does not speak for Obama and he certainly is not a part of the Wahhabist movement responsible for attacks on the US. Again, that’s the implication of raising these “concerns” about Obama’s connection to anyone or anything Islam.

[Kilohana]

The vast majority of Muslims in America and the rest of the world consider NOI to be a joke.

From Wikipedia: The main belief of The Nation of Islam and its followers is that there is no God but Allah. However, they redefine “Allah” by saying “who came in the person of W. D. Fard.” Fard founded the Nation of Islam and subsequently installed Elijah Muhammad as the organization’s leader. Their teachings are heretical by traditional Islamic standards which abhor the deification of any person, or the anthropomorphization of God.

NOI is a fringe religion. Using the Farrakhan endorsement as a “connection” to tie Obama in with fundamental Islamists is ridiculous. (And yes, that is the implication made here…)

Farrakhan does not speak for Obama and he certainly is not a part of the Wahhabist movement responsible for attacks on the US. Again, that’s the implication of raising these “concerns” about Obama’s connection to anyone or anything Islam.

[Kilohana]

The vast majority of Muslims in America and the rest of the world consider NOI to be a joke.

From Wikipedia: The main belief of The Nation of Islam and its followers is that there is no God but Allah. However, they redefine “Allah” by saying “who came in the person of W. D. Fard.” Fard founded the Nation of Islam and subsequently installed Elijah Muhammad as the organization’s leader. Their teachings are heretical by traditional Islamic standards which abhor the deification of any person, or the anthropomorphization of God.

NOI is a fringe religion. Using the Farrakhan endorsement as a “connection” to tie Obama in with fundamental Islamists is ridiculous. (And yes, that is the implication made here…)

Farrakhan does not speak for Obama and he certainly is not a part of the Wahhabist movement responsible for attacks on the US. Again, that’s the implication of raising these “concerns” about Obama’s connection to anyone or anything Islam.

[Kilohana]

The vast majority of Muslims in America and the rest of the world consider NOI to be a joke.

From Wikipedia: The main belief of The Nation of Islam and its followers is that there is no God but Allah. However, they redefine “Allah” by saying “who came in the person of W. D. Fard.” Fard founded the Nation of Islam and subsequently installed Elijah Muhammad as the organization’s leader. Their teachings are heretical by traditional Islamic standards which abhor the deification of any person, or the anthropomorphization of God.

NOI is a fringe religion. Using the Farrakhan endorsement as a “connection” to tie Obama in with fundamental Islamists is ridiculous. (And yes, that is the implication made here…)

Farrakhan does not speak for Obama and he certainly is not a part of the Wahhabist movement responsible for attacks on the US. Again, that’s the implication of raising these “concerns” about Obama’s connection to anyone or anything Islam.

[Kilohana]

I am absolutely stunned that in this day and age there are Piggs who are pinning the blame for this entire mess on the fraction of subprime loans generated or held by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It’s ridiculous, considering we all sat here watching every single facet of the finance community creating and pushing exotic loans on anyone who would take them. And pretty much, everyone took them. Why not? We were told that real estate only goes UP! It would all work out in time for the next flip.

We read stories about Countrywide – and how they pushed these loans on buyers because they generated commissions of up to $30k for the broker… (Even when those buyers qualified for traditional loans!) We watched yuppies finance Hummers and vacations with HELOCS and we KNEW it was going to end badly.

The investment community as a whole had a huge appetite for these loans – the greater the risk, the greater potential for a huge payout. They even figured out how to make money from the defaults! If you weren’t in on it from 2002-2006, you weren’t making any money.

I’m just disappointed that a year and a half ago, we were discussing how widespread, rampant and dangerous these finance products were – and how deeply they permeated the entire market…. But now it seems many would like to forget all that because it requires looking in the mirror.

I’m sorry, but unsophisticated poor people did not do this to us. There was a clever, calculating counterparty to each and every one of these transactions.

I’m happy to see that at least one Pigg remembers the Credit Suisse reset chart.. Clearly, it demonstrates that middle and upper end buyers assumed at least half of the risky loans. It’s not close to being over, yet a few people here have already finished their investigation and are holding press conferences. Cute.

[Kilohana]

I am absolutely stunned that in this day and age there are Piggs who are pinning the blame for this entire mess on the fraction of subprime loans generated or held by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It’s ridiculous, considering we all sat here watching every single facet of the finance community creating and pushing exotic loans on anyone who would take them. And pretty much, everyone took them. Why not? We were told that real estate only goes UP! It would all work out in time for the next flip.

We read stories about Countrywide – and how they pushed these loans on buyers because they generated commissions of up to $30k for the broker… (Even when those buyers qualified for traditional loans!) We watched yuppies finance Hummers and vacations with HELOCS and we KNEW it was going to end badly.

The investment community as a whole had a huge appetite for these loans – the greater the risk, the greater potential for a huge payout. They even figured out how to make money from the defaults! If you weren’t in on it from 2002-2006, you weren’t making any money.

I’m just disappointed that a year and a half ago, we were discussing how widespread, rampant and dangerous these finance products were – and how deeply they permeated the entire market…. But now it seems many would like to forget all that because it requires looking in the mirror.

I’m sorry, but unsophisticated poor people did not do this to us. There was a clever, calculating counterparty to each and every one of these transactions.

I’m happy to see that at least one Pigg remembers the Credit Suisse reset chart.. Clearly, it demonstrates that middle and upper end buyers assumed at least half of the risky loans. It’s not close to being over, yet a few people here have already finished their investigation and are holding press conferences. Cute.

[Kilohana]

I am absolutely stunned that in this day and age there are Piggs who are pinning the blame for this entire mess on the fraction of subprime loans generated or held by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It’s ridiculous, considering we all sat here watching every single facet of the finance community creating and pushing exotic loans on anyone who would take them. And pretty much, everyone took them. Why not? We were told that real estate only goes UP! It would all work out in time for the next flip.

We read stories about Countrywide – and how they pushed these loans on buyers because they generated commissions of up to $30k for the broker… (Even when those buyers qualified for traditional loans!) We watched yuppies finance Hummers and vacations with HELOCS and we KNEW it was going to end badly.

The investment community as a whole had a huge appetite for these loans – the greater the risk, the greater potential for a huge payout. They even figured out how to make money from the defaults! If you weren’t in on it from 2002-2006, you weren’t making any money.

I’m just disappointed that a year and a half ago, we were discussing how widespread, rampant and dangerous these finance products were – and how deeply they permeated the entire market…. But now it seems many would like to forget all that because it requires looking in the mirror.

I’m sorry, but unsophisticated poor people did not do this to us. There was a clever, calculating counterparty to each and every one of these transactions.

I’m happy to see that at least one Pigg remembers the Credit Suisse reset chart.. Clearly, it demonstrates that middle and upper end buyers assumed at least half of the risky loans. It’s not close to being over, yet a few people here have already finished their investigation and are holding press conferences. Cute.

[Kilohana]

I am absolutely stunned that in this day and age there are Piggs who are pinning the blame for this entire mess on the fraction of subprime loans generated or held by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It’s ridiculous, considering we all sat here watching every single facet of the finance community creating and pushing exotic loans on anyone who would take them. And pretty much, everyone took them. Why not? We were told that real estate only goes UP! It would all work out in time for the next flip.

We read stories about Countrywide – and how they pushed these loans on buyers because they generated commissions of up to $30k for the broker… (Even when those buyers qualified for traditional loans!) We watched yuppies finance Hummers and vacations with HELOCS and we KNEW it was going to end badly.

The investment community as a whole had a huge appetite for these loans – the greater the risk, the greater potential for a huge payout. They even figured out how to make money from the defaults! If you weren’t in on it from 2002-2006, you weren’t making any money.

I’m just disappointed that a year and a half ago, we were discussing how widespread, rampant and dangerous these finance products were – and how deeply they permeated the entire market…. But now it seems many would like to forget all that because it requires looking in the mirror.

I’m sorry, but unsophisticated poor people did not do this to us. There was a clever, calculating counterparty to each and every one of these transactions.

I’m happy to see that at least one Pigg remembers the Credit Suisse reset chart.. Clearly, it demonstrates that middle and upper end buyers assumed at least half of the risky loans. It’s not close to being over, yet a few people here have already finished their investigation and are holding press conferences. Cute.

[Kilohana]

I am absolutely stunned that in this day and age there are Piggs who are pinning the blame for this entire mess on the fraction of subprime loans generated or held by Fannie, Freddie and the CRA.

It’s ridiculous, considering we all sat here watching every single facet of the finance community creating and pushing exotic loans on anyone who would take them. And pretty much, everyone took them. Why not? We were told that real estate only goes UP! It would all work out in time for the next flip.

We read stories about Countrywide – and how they pushed these loans on buyers because they generated commissions of up to $30k for the broker… (Even when those buyers qualified for traditional loans!) We watched yuppies finance Hummers and vacations with HELOCS and we KNEW it was going to end badly.

The investment community as a whole had a huge appetite for these loans – the greater the risk, the greater potential for a huge payout. They even figured out how to make money from the defaults! If you weren’t in on it from 2002-2006, you weren’t making any money.

I’m just disappointed that a year and a half ago, we were discussing how widespread, rampant and dangerous these finance products were – and how deeply they permeated the entire market…. But now it seems many would like to forget all that because it requires looking in the mirror.

I’m sorry, but unsophisticated poor people did not do this to us. There was a clever, calculating counterparty to each and every one of these transactions.

I’m happy to see that at least one Pigg remembers the Credit Suisse reset chart.. Clearly, it demonstrates that middle and upper end buyers assumed at least half of the risky loans. It’s not close to being over, yet a few people here have already finished their investigation and are holding press conferences. Cute.

[Kilohana]

Of the 3 locations we have rented, I can say without doubt that the yuppie McMansion set has been the absolute worst.

For one entire year, the only neighbor who spoke to us was another renter. (And fellow bubble sitter!)

I didn’t get too broken up about it because it helped me fine tune my shopping list when we eventually buy again. No McMansions. Not even in “upscale” areas. My perception is that it was more about appearances there… and the only way to gain approval was the prove you could afford to live there by buying. No thanks.

I could be wrong – or maybe I’m just a bit sensitive, but that’s how it felt.

So yeah, I have experienced what you are describing. The good news is that you are not stuck with these people forever — you get to move whenever you want. And to be honest, I think that’s enviable. 🙂

[Kilohana]

Of the 3 locations we have rented, I can say without doubt that the yuppie McMansion set has been the absolute worst.

For one entire year, the only neighbor who spoke to us was another renter. (And fellow bubble sitter!)

I didn’t get too broken up about it because it helped me fine tune my shopping list when we eventually buy again. No McMansions. Not even in “upscale” areas. My perception is that it was more about appearances there… and the only way to gain approval was the prove you could afford to live there by buying. No thanks.

I could be wrong – or maybe I’m just a bit sensitive, but that’s how it felt.

So yeah, I have experienced what you are describing. The good news is that you are not stuck with these people forever — you get to move whenever you want. And to be honest, I think that’s enviable. 🙂

[Kilohana]

Of the 3 locations we have rented, I can say without doubt that the yuppie McMansion set has been the absolute worst.

For one entire year, the only neighbor who spoke to us was another renter. (And fellow bubble sitter!)

I didn’t get too broken up about it because it helped me fine tune my shopping list when we eventually buy again. No McMansions. Not even in “upscale” areas. My perception is that it was more about appearances there… and the only way to gain approval was the prove you could afford to live there by buying. No thanks.

I could be wrong – or maybe I’m just a bit sensitive, but that’s how it felt.

So yeah, I have experienced what you are describing. The good news is that you are not stuck with these people forever — you get to move whenever you want. And to be honest, I think that’s enviable. 🙂

[Kilohana]

Of the 3 locations we have rented, I can say without doubt that the yuppie McMansion set has been the absolute worst.

For one entire year, the only neighbor who spoke to us was another renter. (And fellow bubble sitter!)

I didn’t get too broken up about it because it helped me fine tune my shopping list when we eventually buy again. No McMansions. Not even in “upscale” areas. My perception is that it was more about appearances there… and the only way to gain approval was the prove you could afford to live there by buying. No thanks.

I could be wrong – or maybe I’m just a bit sensitive, but that’s how it felt.

So yeah, I have experienced what you are describing. The good news is that you are not stuck with these people forever — you get to move whenever you want. And to be honest, I think that’s enviable. 🙂

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