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Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
Participant6% is siphoned off each time
[quote=bearishgurl]
Fascinating, njosd, I’ll look up the book.I stand by my assertion that buying a FSBO does NOT save the buyer any money. Therefore, I would surmise that eliminating commission would shave little to nothing off the the purchase price for the buyer.[/quote]
Possibly, the total purchase sum would always be what the market will bear, or as we have seen recently, what a fraudulent mortgage lender and borrower will bear.
But that is not the point. When the FSBO buyer later becomes a FSBO seller, s/he would also have no sales expense of 6% and get ALL the money back.
There is no way that siphoning off 6% of each transaction will get either buyer or seller as good a deal as they otherwise would have.
Come to think of it, how many distress sales have we all seen that are priced at what-I-owe-plus-6%. Agency costs surely make home prices more sticky in underwater situations.
Participant6% is siphoned off each time
[quote=bearishgurl]
Fascinating, njosd, I’ll look up the book.I stand by my assertion that buying a FSBO does NOT save the buyer any money. Therefore, I would surmise that eliminating commission would shave little to nothing off the the purchase price for the buyer.[/quote]
Possibly, the total purchase sum would always be what the market will bear, or as we have seen recently, what a fraudulent mortgage lender and borrower will bear.
But that is not the point. When the FSBO buyer later becomes a FSBO seller, s/he would also have no sales expense of 6% and get ALL the money back.
There is no way that siphoning off 6% of each transaction will get either buyer or seller as good a deal as they otherwise would have.
Come to think of it, how many distress sales have we all seen that are priced at what-I-owe-plus-6%. Agency costs surely make home prices more sticky in underwater situations.
Participant6% is siphoned off each time
[quote=bearishgurl]
Fascinating, njosd, I’ll look up the book.I stand by my assertion that buying a FSBO does NOT save the buyer any money. Therefore, I would surmise that eliminating commission would shave little to nothing off the the purchase price for the buyer.[/quote]
Possibly, the total purchase sum would always be what the market will bear, or as we have seen recently, what a fraudulent mortgage lender and borrower will bear.
But that is not the point. When the FSBO buyer later becomes a FSBO seller, s/he would also have no sales expense of 6% and get ALL the money back.
There is no way that siphoning off 6% of each transaction will get either buyer or seller as good a deal as they otherwise would have.
Come to think of it, how many distress sales have we all seen that are priced at what-I-owe-plus-6%. Agency costs surely make home prices more sticky in underwater situations.
Participant6% is siphoned off each time
[quote=bearishgurl]
Fascinating, njosd, I’ll look up the book.I stand by my assertion that buying a FSBO does NOT save the buyer any money. Therefore, I would surmise that eliminating commission would shave little to nothing off the the purchase price for the buyer.[/quote]
Possibly, the total purchase sum would always be what the market will bear, or as we have seen recently, what a fraudulent mortgage lender and borrower will bear.
But that is not the point. When the FSBO buyer later becomes a FSBO seller, s/he would also have no sales expense of 6% and get ALL the money back.
There is no way that siphoning off 6% of each transaction will get either buyer or seller as good a deal as they otherwise would have.
Come to think of it, how many distress sales have we all seen that are priced at what-I-owe-plus-6%. Agency costs surely make home prices more sticky in underwater situations.
Participant6% is siphoned off each time
[quote=bearishgurl]
Fascinating, njosd, I’ll look up the book.I stand by my assertion that buying a FSBO does NOT save the buyer any money. Therefore, I would surmise that eliminating commission would shave little to nothing off the the purchase price for the buyer.[/quote]
Possibly, the total purchase sum would always be what the market will bear, or as we have seen recently, what a fraudulent mortgage lender and borrower will bear.
But that is not the point. When the FSBO buyer later becomes a FSBO seller, s/he would also have no sales expense of 6% and get ALL the money back.
There is no way that siphoning off 6% of each transaction will get either buyer or seller as good a deal as they otherwise would have.
Come to think of it, how many distress sales have we all seen that are priced at what-I-owe-plus-6%. Agency costs surely make home prices more sticky in underwater situations.
Participant[quote=flu]
Then his mom died…His father remarried someone half his age. Though she wasn’t necessarily a gold-digging spend-like-there’s-no-tomorrow, she obviously needed to be well kept. A year later, his dad died too. Guess were most of that hard earned/saved money went?
Morale of the story. If you pass away, chances are your spouse will remarry. Why should you make it easy for your spouse’s future significant other to enjoy what you should have enjoyed yourself.
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This is not at all a typical scenario, I think. In general, when a widow(er)s contemplate a 2nd marriage, they will ensure through wills and prenups that their children will inherit most or all of the estate.
So the whole just-spend-it-or-else-someone-unworthy-will is suspect.
Participant[quote=flu]
Then his mom died…His father remarried someone half his age. Though she wasn’t necessarily a gold-digging spend-like-there’s-no-tomorrow, she obviously needed to be well kept. A year later, his dad died too. Guess were most of that hard earned/saved money went?
Morale of the story. If you pass away, chances are your spouse will remarry. Why should you make it easy for your spouse’s future significant other to enjoy what you should have enjoyed yourself.
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This is not at all a typical scenario, I think. In general, when a widow(er)s contemplate a 2nd marriage, they will ensure through wills and prenups that their children will inherit most or all of the estate.
So the whole just-spend-it-or-else-someone-unworthy-will is suspect.
Participant[quote=flu]
Then his mom died…His father remarried someone half his age. Though she wasn’t necessarily a gold-digging spend-like-there’s-no-tomorrow, she obviously needed to be well kept. A year later, his dad died too. Guess were most of that hard earned/saved money went?
Morale of the story. If you pass away, chances are your spouse will remarry. Why should you make it easy for your spouse’s future significant other to enjoy what you should have enjoyed yourself.
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This is not at all a typical scenario, I think. In general, when a widow(er)s contemplate a 2nd marriage, they will ensure through wills and prenups that their children will inherit most or all of the estate.
So the whole just-spend-it-or-else-someone-unworthy-will is suspect.
Participant[quote=flu]
Then his mom died…His father remarried someone half his age. Though she wasn’t necessarily a gold-digging spend-like-there’s-no-tomorrow, she obviously needed to be well kept. A year later, his dad died too. Guess were most of that hard earned/saved money went?
Morale of the story. If you pass away, chances are your spouse will remarry. Why should you make it easy for your spouse’s future significant other to enjoy what you should have enjoyed yourself.
[/quote]
This is not at all a typical scenario, I think. In general, when a widow(er)s contemplate a 2nd marriage, they will ensure through wills and prenups that their children will inherit most or all of the estate.
So the whole just-spend-it-or-else-someone-unworthy-will is suspect.
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