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ParticipantYes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?
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So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]
ParticipantYes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?
[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]
ParticipantI don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.
However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.
1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?edited–
ParticipantI don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.
However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.
1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?edited–
ParticipantI don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.
However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.
1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?edited–
ParticipantI don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.
However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.
1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?edited–
ParticipantI don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.
However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.
1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?edited–
ParticipantMy sister was on her cell phone talking to me when she ran the red light and crashed. I heard the crash before she abruptly hung up and til this day she still denies that she was on the phone. She claims the crash happened after she talked to me and she didn’t run the red light.
People will go to great length to avoid responsibility.
[quote=flu]Well here’s the story about the NYC incident
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Brakes-werent-applied-on-apf-3915292671.html?x=0&.v=13
HARRISON, N.Y. (AP) — Computer data from a Toyota Prius that crashed in suburban New York City show that at the time of the accident the throttle was open and the driver was not applying the brakes, U.S. safety officials said Thursday.
The disclosure prompted an angry response from the police captain investigating the cause of the accident. He said his probe was not over and driver error had not been established.
“For any agency to release data and to draw conclusions without consulting with the law enforcement agency that brought this to light could be self-serving,” said Capt. Anthony Marraccini of the Harrison, N.Y., force.
A housekeeper driving the car on March 9 told police that it sped up on its own down a driveway, despite her braking, and crashed into a stone wall across the street. She was not seriously hurt.[/quote]
ParticipantMy sister was on her cell phone talking to me when she ran the red light and crashed. I heard the crash before she abruptly hung up and til this day she still denies that she was on the phone. She claims the crash happened after she talked to me and she didn’t run the red light.
People will go to great length to avoid responsibility.
[quote=flu]Well here’s the story about the NYC incident
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Brakes-werent-applied-on-apf-3915292671.html?x=0&.v=13
HARRISON, N.Y. (AP) — Computer data from a Toyota Prius that crashed in suburban New York City show that at the time of the accident the throttle was open and the driver was not applying the brakes, U.S. safety officials said Thursday.
The disclosure prompted an angry response from the police captain investigating the cause of the accident. He said his probe was not over and driver error had not been established.
“For any agency to release data and to draw conclusions without consulting with the law enforcement agency that brought this to light could be self-serving,” said Capt. Anthony Marraccini of the Harrison, N.Y., force.
A housekeeper driving the car on March 9 told police that it sped up on its own down a driveway, despite her braking, and crashed into a stone wall across the street. She was not seriously hurt.[/quote]
ParticipantMy sister was on her cell phone talking to me when she ran the red light and crashed. I heard the crash before she abruptly hung up and til this day she still denies that she was on the phone. She claims the crash happened after she talked to me and she didn’t run the red light.
People will go to great length to avoid responsibility.
[quote=flu]Well here’s the story about the NYC incident
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Brakes-werent-applied-on-apf-3915292671.html?x=0&.v=13
HARRISON, N.Y. (AP) — Computer data from a Toyota Prius that crashed in suburban New York City show that at the time of the accident the throttle was open and the driver was not applying the brakes, U.S. safety officials said Thursday.
The disclosure prompted an angry response from the police captain investigating the cause of the accident. He said his probe was not over and driver error had not been established.
“For any agency to release data and to draw conclusions without consulting with the law enforcement agency that brought this to light could be self-serving,” said Capt. Anthony Marraccini of the Harrison, N.Y., force.
A housekeeper driving the car on March 9 told police that it sped up on its own down a driveway, despite her braking, and crashed into a stone wall across the street. She was not seriously hurt.[/quote]
ParticipantMy sister was on her cell phone talking to me when she ran the red light and crashed. I heard the crash before she abruptly hung up and til this day she still denies that she was on the phone. She claims the crash happened after she talked to me and she didn’t run the red light.
People will go to great length to avoid responsibility.
[quote=flu]Well here’s the story about the NYC incident
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Brakes-werent-applied-on-apf-3915292671.html?x=0&.v=13
HARRISON, N.Y. (AP) — Computer data from a Toyota Prius that crashed in suburban New York City show that at the time of the accident the throttle was open and the driver was not applying the brakes, U.S. safety officials said Thursday.
The disclosure prompted an angry response from the police captain investigating the cause of the accident. He said his probe was not over and driver error had not been established.
“For any agency to release data and to draw conclusions without consulting with the law enforcement agency that brought this to light could be self-serving,” said Capt. Anthony Marraccini of the Harrison, N.Y., force.
A housekeeper driving the car on March 9 told police that it sped up on its own down a driveway, despite her braking, and crashed into a stone wall across the street. She was not seriously hurt.[/quote]
ParticipantMy sister was on her cell phone talking to me when she ran the red light and crashed. I heard the crash before she abruptly hung up and til this day she still denies that she was on the phone. She claims the crash happened after she talked to me and she didn’t run the red light.
People will go to great length to avoid responsibility.
[quote=flu]Well here’s the story about the NYC incident
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Brakes-werent-applied-on-apf-3915292671.html?x=0&.v=13
HARRISON, N.Y. (AP) — Computer data from a Toyota Prius that crashed in suburban New York City show that at the time of the accident the throttle was open and the driver was not applying the brakes, U.S. safety officials said Thursday.
The disclosure prompted an angry response from the police captain investigating the cause of the accident. He said his probe was not over and driver error had not been established.
“For any agency to release data and to draw conclusions without consulting with the law enforcement agency that brought this to light could be self-serving,” said Capt. Anthony Marraccini of the Harrison, N.Y., force.
A housekeeper driving the car on March 9 told police that it sped up on its own down a driveway, despite her braking, and crashed into a stone wall across the street. She was not seriously hurt.[/quote]
ParticipantMy friend’s dad was 82 year old when he suffered a stroke and was brain dead. He also had severe liver disease. My friend’s family decided to keep him on life support for two years. All expenses paid by the gov’t. I wonder if it costs the family even at 10% of the total cost, would they have kept him ‘alive’?
ParticipantMy friend’s dad was 82 year old when he suffered a stroke and was brain dead. He also had severe liver disease. My friend’s family decided to keep him on life support for two years. All expenses paid by the gov’t. I wonder if it costs the family even at 10% of the total cost, would they have kept him ‘alive’?
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