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Participantsdr – you toss them in the trailer. Just kidding. These vehicles are meant to be commuter cars. There’s enough room for one passenger (I think some models allow for 2) and some room in the back for groceries, supplies, etc. They won’t haul you and your extended family or boats.
drunkle – I don’t know where the wind up key is, but they go 0-60mph in about 4 seconds. Can your car do that? Maybe they use rubber bands!
Motorcycles and scooters are an option, but I also don’t feel safe using them. The good thing about these is that they have a roll cage and you won’t get wet when it rains.
Participantsdr – you toss them in the trailer. Just kidding. These vehicles are meant to be commuter cars. There’s enough room for one passenger (I think some models allow for 2) and some room in the back for groceries, supplies, etc. They won’t haul you and your extended family or boats.
drunkle – I don’t know where the wind up key is, but they go 0-60mph in about 4 seconds. Can your car do that? Maybe they use rubber bands!
Motorcycles and scooters are an option, but I also don’t feel safe using them. The good thing about these is that they have a roll cage and you won’t get wet when it rains.
ParticipantI would not go as far as rankandfile in my argument against the income tax. I have faith that our government took (and continues to take) the necessary steps to ensure that all forms of taxation are legal in the eyes of our Constitution. My main point was to provoke thought on the subject – which is exactly what occurred with me when I came across the videos.
ParticipantI would not go as far as rankandfile in my argument against the income tax. I have faith that our government took (and continues to take) the necessary steps to ensure that all forms of taxation are legal in the eyes of our Constitution. My main point was to provoke thought on the subject – which is exactly what occurred with me when I came across the videos.
Participant“Who cares if it is legal or not?”
Are you kidding me?
Wanting the government to act within the bounds set forth in the Constitution is not anarchy.
I wasn’t looking for language specifically dealing with a 1040, I just included that for reference. From what I have gathered so far, the Supreme Court ruled in 1916 that the 16th Amendment gave Congress no new powers of taxation. And “income”, as defined in the Eisner v Montgomery case, is based on corporate gains or profits. I guess this is one of the arguments used by tax protesters.
I don’t necessarily subscribe to all of the viewpoints from the video, but I do find it thought-provoking. If nothing else, it has made me research our laws.
Participant“Who cares if it is legal or not?”
Are you kidding me?
Wanting the government to act within the bounds set forth in the Constitution is not anarchy.
I wasn’t looking for language specifically dealing with a 1040, I just included that for reference. From what I have gathered so far, the Supreme Court ruled in 1916 that the 16th Amendment gave Congress no new powers of taxation. And “income”, as defined in the Eisner v Montgomery case, is based on corporate gains or profits. I guess this is one of the arguments used by tax protesters.
I don’t necessarily subscribe to all of the viewpoints from the video, but I do find it thought-provoking. If nothing else, it has made me research our laws.
ParticipantWhat I’ve come across so far is that there are technicalities in the definition of “income” and in whether the tax is direct or not. The tax protesters argue that the tax must be apportioned to the 50 states, and that income is defined as gains and profits, rather than wages from labor.
ParticipantWhat I’ve come across so far is that there are technicalities in the definition of “income” and in whether the tax is direct or not. The tax protesters argue that the tax must be apportioned to the 50 states, and that income is defined as gains and profits, rather than wages from labor.
Participant“There is no Constitutional basis for a tax on the wages of Americans living and working in the 50 states of the Union. Period, end of story.” – (1) Peter Gibbons, Tax Attorney
Aaron Russo: “There is no law that requires someone to file a 1040”
(2) Ron Paul, R-Texas: “No there isn’t.”(3) Dr. Edwin Vieira, PhD, JD (both from Harvard). Apparently this chap is a noted expert on Constitutional law.
Peter Gibbons, Ron Paul, and Dr. Vieira are three well-qualified individuals on this topic. I don’t know every little nuance about them, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call them kooks, would you?
You have presented some interesting counter points so far, but can you provide the specific law that states that US citizens have to pay a tax on their personal wages/file a 1040?
Participant“There is no Constitutional basis for a tax on the wages of Americans living and working in the 50 states of the Union. Period, end of story.” – (1) Peter Gibbons, Tax Attorney
Aaron Russo: “There is no law that requires someone to file a 1040”
(2) Ron Paul, R-Texas: “No there isn’t.”(3) Dr. Edwin Vieira, PhD, JD (both from Harvard). Apparently this chap is a noted expert on Constitutional law.
Peter Gibbons, Ron Paul, and Dr. Vieira are three well-qualified individuals on this topic. I don’t know every little nuance about them, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call them kooks, would you?
You have presented some interesting counter points so far, but can you provide the specific law that states that US citizens have to pay a tax on their personal wages/file a 1040?
Participant“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”
Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.
Participant“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”
Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.
ParticipantThe line that separates a conspiracy theorist from a concerned, law-abiding citizen can be very blurry at times. I like some of the ideas that Ron Paul has. He seems like a true representative of the people and a strict follower of the Constitution. I saw him on a video about the legality of the income tax by Aaron Russo on YouTube:
ParticipantThe line that separates a conspiracy theorist from a concerned, law-abiding citizen can be very blurry at times. I like some of the ideas that Ron Paul has. He seems like a true representative of the people and a strict follower of the Constitution. I saw him on a video about the legality of the income tax by Aaron Russo on YouTube:
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