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August 5, 2011 at 6:18 PM in reply to: OK, we are down graded: AA+ (Still a long way from F+ guys) #715468August 5, 2011 at 6:18 PM in reply to: OK, we are down graded: AA+ (Still a long way from F+ guys) #716070
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ParticipantThis is a big deal.
S & P is recognizing reality here. Spending remains out of control, the economy is weakening markedly (rendering current revenue projections obsolete), and the math was inescapable.
When we look back at the wailing and gnashing of teeth Congress just went through to achieve puny spending reductions, we get a sense of what we are in for.
Greece, here we come.August 5, 2011 at 6:18 PM in reply to: OK, we are down graded: AA+ (Still a long way from F+ guys) #716222EconProf
ParticipantThis is a big deal.
S & P is recognizing reality here. Spending remains out of control, the economy is weakening markedly (rendering current revenue projections obsolete), and the math was inescapable.
When we look back at the wailing and gnashing of teeth Congress just went through to achieve puny spending reductions, we get a sense of what we are in for.
Greece, here we come.August 5, 2011 at 6:18 PM in reply to: OK, we are down graded: AA+ (Still a long way from F+ guys) #716581EconProf
ParticipantThis is a big deal.
S & P is recognizing reality here. Spending remains out of control, the economy is weakening markedly (rendering current revenue projections obsolete), and the math was inescapable.
When we look back at the wailing and gnashing of teeth Congress just went through to achieve puny spending reductions, we get a sense of what we are in for.
Greece, here we come.EconProf
ParticipantCArenter: Are you sure about that? I’ve heard the opposite–that although they pay much less, private schools attract teachers that covet the smaller class sizes, more motivated students, involved parents, and a less unionized, government-controlled atmosphere. I’ve read of younger public school teachers moving to private schools for just these advantages.
Let’s hear from others. especially teachers and parents, on this subject.EconProf
ParticipantCArenter: Are you sure about that? I’ve heard the opposite–that although they pay much less, private schools attract teachers that covet the smaller class sizes, more motivated students, involved parents, and a less unionized, government-controlled atmosphere. I’ve read of younger public school teachers moving to private schools for just these advantages.
Let’s hear from others. especially teachers and parents, on this subject.EconProf
ParticipantCArenter: Are you sure about that? I’ve heard the opposite–that although they pay much less, private schools attract teachers that covet the smaller class sizes, more motivated students, involved parents, and a less unionized, government-controlled atmosphere. I’ve read of younger public school teachers moving to private schools for just these advantages.
Let’s hear from others. especially teachers and parents, on this subject.EconProf
ParticipantCArenter: Are you sure about that? I’ve heard the opposite–that although they pay much less, private schools attract teachers that covet the smaller class sizes, more motivated students, involved parents, and a less unionized, government-controlled atmosphere. I’ve read of younger public school teachers moving to private schools for just these advantages.
Let’s hear from others. especially teachers and parents, on this subject.EconProf
ParticipantCArenter: Are you sure about that? I’ve heard the opposite–that although they pay much less, private schools attract teachers that covet the smaller class sizes, more motivated students, involved parents, and a less unionized, government-controlled atmosphere. I’ve read of younger public school teachers moving to private schools for just these advantages.
Let’s hear from others. especially teachers and parents, on this subject.EconProf
ParticipantPermeliza, we are largely in agreement.
My gripe is mostly with the reporter, who must have worked hard to justify a preconceived story thesis: find an unusually good teacher, paid an unusually low salary, and who has made an unusual career change decision to take effect in one year. We should draw conclusions from averages and not anecdotes.EconProf
ParticipantPermeliza, we are largely in agreement.
My gripe is mostly with the reporter, who must have worked hard to justify a preconceived story thesis: find an unusually good teacher, paid an unusually low salary, and who has made an unusual career change decision to take effect in one year. We should draw conclusions from averages and not anecdotes.EconProf
ParticipantPermeliza, we are largely in agreement.
My gripe is mostly with the reporter, who must have worked hard to justify a preconceived story thesis: find an unusually good teacher, paid an unusually low salary, and who has made an unusual career change decision to take effect in one year. We should draw conclusions from averages and not anecdotes.EconProf
ParticipantPermeliza, we are largely in agreement.
My gripe is mostly with the reporter, who must have worked hard to justify a preconceived story thesis: find an unusually good teacher, paid an unusually low salary, and who has made an unusual career change decision to take effect in one year. We should draw conclusions from averages and not anecdotes.EconProf
ParticipantPermeliza, we are largely in agreement.
My gripe is mostly with the reporter, who must have worked hard to justify a preconceived story thesis: find an unusually good teacher, paid an unusually low salary, and who has made an unusual career change decision to take effect in one year. We should draw conclusions from averages and not anecdotes.EconProf
ParticipantPemeliza, 60 hours a week for teachers is not the norm. The usual teaching load for high school is 5 contact hours, leaving 3 for correcting & administrative time during the other 8 hours, plus whatever work is taken home, which varies by subject and yes, for math may be a lot. For some other subjects it is not much. Sorry, summers are generally not spent working on curriculum. But teachers do often take additional classes of dubious value to crank up their degrees and certifications to move into higher pay categories.
Good teachers like this one should certainly earn more. Unfortunately, those who work extra hard and are productive get about the same as those who do not, thanks to tenure and union rules against firing the incompetents. Many of those who leave the profession early on are the young and energetic ones who are turned off by the atmosphere and feel they can go farther in the private sector. Too often those left include many who seek only job security and retirement in their fifties.
I taught high school English for one year and it was difficult–not for the hours but the discipline problems. Went into college teaching which was far easier! -
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