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You could make an argument that vaccines are a problem when given too often, not allowing the body to respond with full force when necessary. I havnt seen much evidence of this one way or the other, but I dont work with them so my knowledge is mostly school based (which all seems to be slipping out the back of my head somehow).

You could also argue that they are teaching proper responses to foreign pathogens. Not every pathogen needs an A bomb response. Infact, as I am sure you know, many of our ‘diseases’ today are actually overzealous immune responses or immune systems not recognizing ‘self’. Alittle moderation on the immune systems part may be a prefered route.

With a population as large and varied as our human population today, I am sure you could come up with evidence for both.

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You could make an argument that vaccines are a problem when given too often, not allowing the body to respond with full force when necessary. I havnt seen much evidence of this one way or the other, but I dont work with them so my knowledge is mostly school based (which all seems to be slipping out the back of my head somehow).

You could also argue that they are teaching proper responses to foreign pathogens. Not every pathogen needs an A bomb response. Infact, as I am sure you know, many of our ‘diseases’ today are actually overzealous immune responses or immune systems not recognizing ‘self’. Alittle moderation on the immune systems part may be a prefered route.

With a population as large and varied as our human population today, I am sure you could come up with evidence for both.

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[quote=ucodegen]One thing I have wondered about is that in the process of using flu-vaccines and antibiotics on a regular basis; are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection? After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.[/quote]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine. The reason why you get a flu shot, and can still get the flu, is because there are multiple strains of the flu. You are protected against 3, but can still catch something else. Vaccines, atleast in theory (dont know about these chemicals that are being added, but let me say just about anything can cause some inflamation in artheritic rats) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

Think of it like a mother cat teaching her kittens to hunt. She catches and wounds a mouse, and then puts it infront of the kittens who dont know what the Frak to do. Eventually they get the idea, and they learn to hunt healthy mice. They never would have been in the ball park, unless they get to learn with a wounded mouse who cant get away. Its trial and error in a safe environment so when the ‘real thing’ comes along, your body knows what to do, or ‘how to hunt’. (As an asside this is why it is really important to let your kids be kids and play in the dirt and such. Exposure to alot of stuff now will allow your kids to be healthier later on.)

Antibiotics plunt the edge off bacterial infections, but your immune system still learns. The real problem with antibiotics is overuse and improper use. Taking antibiotics just until you feel better is a bad idea, you are letting the bacteria learn how to survive against it. Same as taking antibiotics when you dont need them, they wont do jack against a virus. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, they do you no good because the bacteria is immune to it.

Bacteria are living organisms that grow and evolve. Using anti-biotics applys a selective force against them that just makes them stronger later on.

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[quote=ucodegen]One thing I have wondered about is that in the process of using flu-vaccines and antibiotics on a regular basis; are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection? After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.[/quote]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine. The reason why you get a flu shot, and can still get the flu, is because there are multiple strains of the flu. You are protected against 3, but can still catch something else. Vaccines, atleast in theory (dont know about these chemicals that are being added, but let me say just about anything can cause some inflamation in artheritic rats) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

Think of it like a mother cat teaching her kittens to hunt. She catches and wounds a mouse, and then puts it infront of the kittens who dont know what the Frak to do. Eventually they get the idea, and they learn to hunt healthy mice. They never would have been in the ball park, unless they get to learn with a wounded mouse who cant get away. Its trial and error in a safe environment so when the ‘real thing’ comes along, your body knows what to do, or ‘how to hunt’. (As an asside this is why it is really important to let your kids be kids and play in the dirt and such. Exposure to alot of stuff now will allow your kids to be healthier later on.)

Antibiotics plunt the edge off bacterial infections, but your immune system still learns. The real problem with antibiotics is overuse and improper use. Taking antibiotics just until you feel better is a bad idea, you are letting the bacteria learn how to survive against it. Same as taking antibiotics when you dont need them, they wont do jack against a virus. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, they do you no good because the bacteria is immune to it.

Bacteria are living organisms that grow and evolve. Using anti-biotics applys a selective force against them that just makes them stronger later on.

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[quote=ucodegen]One thing I have wondered about is that in the process of using flu-vaccines and antibiotics on a regular basis; are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection? After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.[/quote]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine. The reason why you get a flu shot, and can still get the flu, is because there are multiple strains of the flu. You are protected against 3, but can still catch something else. Vaccines, atleast in theory (dont know about these chemicals that are being added, but let me say just about anything can cause some inflamation in artheritic rats) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

Think of it like a mother cat teaching her kittens to hunt. She catches and wounds a mouse, and then puts it infront of the kittens who dont know what the Frak to do. Eventually they get the idea, and they learn to hunt healthy mice. They never would have been in the ball park, unless they get to learn with a wounded mouse who cant get away. Its trial and error in a safe environment so when the ‘real thing’ comes along, your body knows what to do, or ‘how to hunt’. (As an asside this is why it is really important to let your kids be kids and play in the dirt and such. Exposure to alot of stuff now will allow your kids to be healthier later on.)

Antibiotics plunt the edge off bacterial infections, but your immune system still learns. The real problem with antibiotics is overuse and improper use. Taking antibiotics just until you feel better is a bad idea, you are letting the bacteria learn how to survive against it. Same as taking antibiotics when you dont need them, they wont do jack against a virus. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, they do you no good because the bacteria is immune to it.

Bacteria are living organisms that grow and evolve. Using anti-biotics applys a selective force against them that just makes them stronger later on.

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[quote=ucodegen]One thing I have wondered about is that in the process of using flu-vaccines and antibiotics on a regular basis; are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection? After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.[/quote]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine. The reason why you get a flu shot, and can still get the flu, is because there are multiple strains of the flu. You are protected against 3, but can still catch something else. Vaccines, atleast in theory (dont know about these chemicals that are being added, but let me say just about anything can cause some inflamation in artheritic rats) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

Think of it like a mother cat teaching her kittens to hunt. She catches and wounds a mouse, and then puts it infront of the kittens who dont know what the Frak to do. Eventually they get the idea, and they learn to hunt healthy mice. They never would have been in the ball park, unless they get to learn with a wounded mouse who cant get away. Its trial and error in a safe environment so when the ‘real thing’ comes along, your body knows what to do, or ‘how to hunt’. (As an asside this is why it is really important to let your kids be kids and play in the dirt and such. Exposure to alot of stuff now will allow your kids to be healthier later on.)

Antibiotics plunt the edge off bacterial infections, but your immune system still learns. The real problem with antibiotics is overuse and improper use. Taking antibiotics just until you feel better is a bad idea, you are letting the bacteria learn how to survive against it. Same as taking antibiotics when you dont need them, they wont do jack against a virus. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, they do you no good because the bacteria is immune to it.

Bacteria are living organisms that grow and evolve. Using anti-biotics applys a selective force against them that just makes them stronger later on.

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[quote=ucodegen]One thing I have wondered about is that in the process of using flu-vaccines and antibiotics on a regular basis; are we conditioning our bodies to not mount an all out defense from an infection? After all.. it is only a trial run and not the real thing.[/quote]

That isnt how it works. Vaccines teach your immune system how to kill whatever was in the vaccine. The reason why you get a flu shot, and can still get the flu, is because there are multiple strains of the flu. You are protected against 3, but can still catch something else. Vaccines, atleast in theory (dont know about these chemicals that are being added, but let me say just about anything can cause some inflamation in artheritic rats) make your immune system stronger, not weaker.

Think of it like a mother cat teaching her kittens to hunt. She catches and wounds a mouse, and then puts it infront of the kittens who dont know what the Frak to do. Eventually they get the idea, and they learn to hunt healthy mice. They never would have been in the ball park, unless they get to learn with a wounded mouse who cant get away. Its trial and error in a safe environment so when the ‘real thing’ comes along, your body knows what to do, or ‘how to hunt’. (As an asside this is why it is really important to let your kids be kids and play in the dirt and such. Exposure to alot of stuff now will allow your kids to be healthier later on.)

Antibiotics plunt the edge off bacterial infections, but your immune system still learns. The real problem with antibiotics is overuse and improper use. Taking antibiotics just until you feel better is a bad idea, you are letting the bacteria learn how to survive against it. Same as taking antibiotics when you dont need them, they wont do jack against a virus. Then, when you really need the antibiotics, they do you no good because the bacteria is immune to it.

Bacteria are living organisms that grow and evolve. Using anti-biotics applys a selective force against them that just makes them stronger later on.

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[quote=SD Realtor]Yes it simply the means cut from Sandicor. Also the lag time in short sales is an important factor.

In fact in order to prove how correct you are when we look at the current ACTIVE listings in 92126 between 1300 and 1500 sf we see that things are SERIOUSLY screwed.

Current Actives = 10
Current Listing List Price Average = 402.
Current Pendings = 24
Current List Price Average = 348.
Current Contingents = 12
Current List Price Average = 332.

So suffice it to say that the area has already bounced and is continuing.[/quote]

I dont know if I see that bouncing. I see a really active market, where anything reasonably priced sells so fast it is shocking. So fast infact, that the only thing on the market are overpriced houses. Everything selling is ~350k, everything NOT selling is ~400k. (this are averages people, averages. obviously there is variation)

Oh, and you are missing a lot of mira mesa limiting yourself to 1300-1500sqft. 3/2 sfr’s start at 1120sqft. Im just saying this isnt whe whole picture. We all know, and no one is disputing, 350k sfr’s are on FIRE in mira mesa.
Where else North of the 8, South of the 78, and East of the 15 can you buy a sfr for <400k?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Yes it simply the means cut from Sandicor. Also the lag time in short sales is an important factor.

In fact in order to prove how correct you are when we look at the current ACTIVE listings in 92126 between 1300 and 1500 sf we see that things are SERIOUSLY screwed.

Current Actives = 10
Current Listing List Price Average = 402.
Current Pendings = 24
Current List Price Average = 348.
Current Contingents = 12
Current List Price Average = 332.

So suffice it to say that the area has already bounced and is continuing.[/quote]

I dont know if I see that bouncing. I see a really active market, where anything reasonably priced sells so fast it is shocking. So fast infact, that the only thing on the market are overpriced houses. Everything selling is ~350k, everything NOT selling is ~400k. (this are averages people, averages. obviously there is variation)

Oh, and you are missing a lot of mira mesa limiting yourself to 1300-1500sqft. 3/2 sfr’s start at 1120sqft. Im just saying this isnt whe whole picture. We all know, and no one is disputing, 350k sfr’s are on FIRE in mira mesa.
Where else North of the 8, South of the 78, and East of the 15 can you buy a sfr for <400k?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Yes it simply the means cut from Sandicor. Also the lag time in short sales is an important factor.

In fact in order to prove how correct you are when we look at the current ACTIVE listings in 92126 between 1300 and 1500 sf we see that things are SERIOUSLY screwed.

Current Actives = 10
Current Listing List Price Average = 402.
Current Pendings = 24
Current List Price Average = 348.
Current Contingents = 12
Current List Price Average = 332.

So suffice it to say that the area has already bounced and is continuing.[/quote]

I dont know if I see that bouncing. I see a really active market, where anything reasonably priced sells so fast it is shocking. So fast infact, that the only thing on the market are overpriced houses. Everything selling is ~350k, everything NOT selling is ~400k. (this are averages people, averages. obviously there is variation)

Oh, and you are missing a lot of mira mesa limiting yourself to 1300-1500sqft. 3/2 sfr’s start at 1120sqft. Im just saying this isnt whe whole picture. We all know, and no one is disputing, 350k sfr’s are on FIRE in mira mesa.
Where else North of the 8, South of the 78, and East of the 15 can you buy a sfr for <400k?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Yes it simply the means cut from Sandicor. Also the lag time in short sales is an important factor.

In fact in order to prove how correct you are when we look at the current ACTIVE listings in 92126 between 1300 and 1500 sf we see that things are SERIOUSLY screwed.

Current Actives = 10
Current Listing List Price Average = 402.
Current Pendings = 24
Current List Price Average = 348.
Current Contingents = 12
Current List Price Average = 332.

So suffice it to say that the area has already bounced and is continuing.[/quote]

I dont know if I see that bouncing. I see a really active market, where anything reasonably priced sells so fast it is shocking. So fast infact, that the only thing on the market are overpriced houses. Everything selling is ~350k, everything NOT selling is ~400k. (this are averages people, averages. obviously there is variation)

Oh, and you are missing a lot of mira mesa limiting yourself to 1300-1500sqft. 3/2 sfr’s start at 1120sqft. Im just saying this isnt whe whole picture. We all know, and no one is disputing, 350k sfr’s are on FIRE in mira mesa.
Where else North of the 8, South of the 78, and East of the 15 can you buy a sfr for <400k?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Yes it simply the means cut from Sandicor. Also the lag time in short sales is an important factor.

In fact in order to prove how correct you are when we look at the current ACTIVE listings in 92126 between 1300 and 1500 sf we see that things are SERIOUSLY screwed.

Current Actives = 10
Current Listing List Price Average = 402.
Current Pendings = 24
Current List Price Average = 348.
Current Contingents = 12
Current List Price Average = 332.

So suffice it to say that the area has already bounced and is continuing.[/quote]

I dont know if I see that bouncing. I see a really active market, where anything reasonably priced sells so fast it is shocking. So fast infact, that the only thing on the market are overpriced houses. Everything selling is ~350k, everything NOT selling is ~400k. (this are averages people, averages. obviously there is variation)

Oh, and you are missing a lot of mira mesa limiting yourself to 1300-1500sqft. 3/2 sfr’s start at 1120sqft. Im just saying this isnt whe whole picture. We all know, and no one is disputing, 350k sfr’s are on FIRE in mira mesa.
Where else North of the 8, South of the 78, and East of the 15 can you buy a sfr for <400k?

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[quote=Arraya]
If we do not tap into the justifiable anger sweeping across the nation, if we do not militantly push back against corporate fraud and imperial wars that we cannot win or afford,….
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So we are suppose to wage a war to stop the war?

Sorry, had to ask. ‘Militantly’ is a rather loaded word.

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[quote=Arraya]
If we do not tap into the justifiable anger sweeping across the nation, if we do not militantly push back against corporate fraud and imperial wars that we cannot win or afford,….
[/quote]

So we are suppose to wage a war to stop the war?

Sorry, had to ask. ‘Militantly’ is a rather loaded word.

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[quote=Arraya]
If we do not tap into the justifiable anger sweeping across the nation, if we do not militantly push back against corporate fraud and imperial wars that we cannot win or afford,….
[/quote]

So we are suppose to wage a war to stop the war?

Sorry, had to ask. ‘Militantly’ is a rather loaded word.

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