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Participant[quote=urbanrealtor]Also:
To those who are bragging about having bought without an agent:I dare you to post an address (or pm it).
I will share it with other agents on this board and in my office and we will tell you if we think you actually got a good price or not. (you may or may not have).
We will not post the address if you would prefer.If you don’t have the courage to give us that, then I submit you are a coward without the courage of your convictions.
I am calling you out.
Reply if you’ve got a pair.
Otherwise step off.[/quote]
I don’t qualify since I ended up buying with an agent.
But once again, we have a pro who thinks only other pros can determine whether a deal was good or not. The schoolyard taunts are funny but misplaced.
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
If you think people are being dishonest, then I’d like to know who you think is full of $#!t and why. If you can’t come up with anything concrete, then STFU and bring some data to the discussion like you did in the previous post.
xoxo,
-drboomParticipant[quote=bearishgurl]Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb![/quote]
Maybe, but that’s not amateur hour so I’ll never find out unless it’s small claims court. I’ll have a lawyer.
The main problem for the non-professional, just as in the RE world, isn’t the law; it’s all the process stuff. Rules of evidence and procedure are weapons, and you have to do it everyday to have a decent chance. It’s set up by and for lawyers, of course, so there again we have a monopoly tax.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb![/quote]
Maybe, but that’s not amateur hour so I’ll never find out unless it’s small claims court. I’ll have a lawyer.
The main problem for the non-professional, just as in the RE world, isn’t the law; it’s all the process stuff. Rules of evidence and procedure are weapons, and you have to do it everyday to have a decent chance. It’s set up by and for lawyers, of course, so there again we have a monopoly tax.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb![/quote]
Maybe, but that’s not amateur hour so I’ll never find out unless it’s small claims court. I’ll have a lawyer.
The main problem for the non-professional, just as in the RE world, isn’t the law; it’s all the process stuff. Rules of evidence and procedure are weapons, and you have to do it everyday to have a decent chance. It’s set up by and for lawyers, of course, so there again we have a monopoly tax.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb![/quote]
Maybe, but that’s not amateur hour so I’ll never find out unless it’s small claims court. I’ll have a lawyer.
The main problem for the non-professional, just as in the RE world, isn’t the law; it’s all the process stuff. Rules of evidence and procedure are weapons, and you have to do it everyday to have a decent chance. It’s set up by and for lawyers, of course, so there again we have a monopoly tax.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Should you ever face a court hearing without an attorney, due to your “strong DIY ethic,” I am in hopes that you will handle it with aplomb![/quote]
Maybe, but that’s not amateur hour so I’ll never find out unless it’s small claims court. I’ll have a lawyer.
The main problem for the non-professional, just as in the RE world, isn’t the law; it’s all the process stuff. Rules of evidence and procedure are weapons, and you have to do it everyday to have a decent chance. It’s set up by and for lawyers, of course, so there again we have a monopoly tax.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]
In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.
(snip)
drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!
Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]
OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.
To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.
It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.
It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.
Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]
In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.
(snip)
drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!
Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]
OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.
To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.
It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.
It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.
Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]
In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.
(snip)
drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!
Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]
OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.
To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.
It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.
It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.
Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]
In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.
(snip)
drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!
Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]
OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.
To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.
It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.
It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.
Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=drboom]Seriously, who do you think you’re dealing with in this forum? Romper Room?[/quote]
In my biz, I constantly hear complaints about attorneys overcharging for no work performed, etc.
(snip)
drboom, you’d be SHOCKED how many people go to paralegals to get court papers filled out who are initially beating their chest, VERY SELF-ASSURED that they can represent themselves!
Many occupations look like “easy money” until you try to do it yourself.[/quote]
OK, sarcasm didn’t work. You keep stating the obvious, and it’s annoying. Most of the members of this forum are highly skilled professionals of one sort or another. We get it. No one is shocked. Please assume we’ve been a lot of there and done a lot of that.
To address your point: if a dispute gets to the courtroom, then someone’s common sense failed along the line–probably both parties’. I’ve had a couple of disputes with people that had legal counsel. I did my homework, talked to my own lawyer for an hour, then cheerfully and politely handed their lawyers’ asses to them. Large checks followed shortly thereafter. It would have been cheaper for them to just sit down with me.
It helps to have the facts on your side, and it helps to be a good negotiator. But avoiding simple mistakes will make up for a lot of shortcomings. People screw up and land in court by getting greedy, for one thing. Never back your opponent into a corner, and never question their honor or otherwise make it personal. Businesslike compromise is the name of the game. Keeping the lawyers out of it will usually save everyone time and money, though they are useful as advisers and fact checkers.
It’s OK to gloat after you win, of course, though non-disparagement and nondisclosure clauses in settlement agreements make that a little less fun than it could be.
Yes, I have a strong DIY ethic. Maybe I read too much Heinlein when I was a kid.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]BG,The model that we have is there because for better or worse it works. Without a system like we have the rich would slaughter the poor. The Irvine Companies of the world would continue the thuggery they employed to steal land from long time owners.[/quote]
False dichotomy.
There are many ways to run the system, not just two, and you avoid explaining why the system has to be a monopoly. Monopolies are baaad, mmm’kay?
The “end of the world” scenario is a nice flourish, but it weakens your position with thinking people if you have to employ scare tactics.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]BG,The model that we have is there because for better or worse it works. Without a system like we have the rich would slaughter the poor. The Irvine Companies of the world would continue the thuggery they employed to steal land from long time owners.[/quote]
False dichotomy.
There are many ways to run the system, not just two, and you avoid explaining why the system has to be a monopoly. Monopolies are baaad, mmm’kay?
The “end of the world” scenario is a nice flourish, but it weakens your position with thinking people if you have to employ scare tactics.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]BG,The model that we have is there because for better or worse it works. Without a system like we have the rich would slaughter the poor. The Irvine Companies of the world would continue the thuggery they employed to steal land from long time owners.[/quote]
False dichotomy.
There are many ways to run the system, not just two, and you avoid explaining why the system has to be a monopoly. Monopolies are baaad, mmm’kay?
The “end of the world” scenario is a nice flourish, but it weakens your position with thinking people if you have to employ scare tactics.
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