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Participant[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.
Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.
Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.
Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.
Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.
Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.
Participant[quote=bubba99]All of my coworkers, and many of my friends carry guns most of the time. My observations are that it really does not make them or society any safer. In fact it only makes a gun available to the first criminal who is strong enough to take it away.
Law enforcement officers (LEOs)are way too slow to shoot making them vulnerable to having their guns and lives taken. Non-LEOs are generally too slow and unskilled to be effective. And rarely do they take into account “whats behind the target”. Making their using a gun dangerous to bystanders.
Many bad guys have spent years in prison studying how to disarm citizens, lifting weights and to attack with such speed that even the best trained armed people are at risk.
21 feet is the magic distance. A skilled criminal within 21 feet, can probably kill an armed person before he/she can draw and fire.[/quote]
Armed robber is taking hostages and making threats. I would rather take my chances that a bystander shoots them instead of waiting for my time in the execution line.
You underestimate gun owners that respect and fire their weapons regularly. I guarantee half of them shoot better than some fat donut eating cop…or worse yet, some mall cop.
Participant[quote=bubba99]All of my coworkers, and many of my friends carry guns most of the time. My observations are that it really does not make them or society any safer. In fact it only makes a gun available to the first criminal who is strong enough to take it away.
Law enforcement officers (LEOs)are way too slow to shoot making them vulnerable to having their guns and lives taken. Non-LEOs are generally too slow and unskilled to be effective. And rarely do they take into account “whats behind the target”. Making their using a gun dangerous to bystanders.
Many bad guys have spent years in prison studying how to disarm citizens, lifting weights and to attack with such speed that even the best trained armed people are at risk.
21 feet is the magic distance. A skilled criminal within 21 feet, can probably kill an armed person before he/she can draw and fire.[/quote]
Armed robber is taking hostages and making threats. I would rather take my chances that a bystander shoots them instead of waiting for my time in the execution line.
You underestimate gun owners that respect and fire their weapons regularly. I guarantee half of them shoot better than some fat donut eating cop…or worse yet, some mall cop.
Participant[quote=bubba99]All of my coworkers, and many of my friends carry guns most of the time. My observations are that it really does not make them or society any safer. In fact it only makes a gun available to the first criminal who is strong enough to take it away.
Law enforcement officers (LEOs)are way too slow to shoot making them vulnerable to having their guns and lives taken. Non-LEOs are generally too slow and unskilled to be effective. And rarely do they take into account “whats behind the target”. Making their using a gun dangerous to bystanders.
Many bad guys have spent years in prison studying how to disarm citizens, lifting weights and to attack with such speed that even the best trained armed people are at risk.
21 feet is the magic distance. A skilled criminal within 21 feet, can probably kill an armed person before he/she can draw and fire.[/quote]
Armed robber is taking hostages and making threats. I would rather take my chances that a bystander shoots them instead of waiting for my time in the execution line.
You underestimate gun owners that respect and fire their weapons regularly. I guarantee half of them shoot better than some fat donut eating cop…or worse yet, some mall cop.
Participant[quote=bubba99]All of my coworkers, and many of my friends carry guns most of the time. My observations are that it really does not make them or society any safer. In fact it only makes a gun available to the first criminal who is strong enough to take it away.
Law enforcement officers (LEOs)are way too slow to shoot making them vulnerable to having their guns and lives taken. Non-LEOs are generally too slow and unskilled to be effective. And rarely do they take into account “whats behind the target”. Making their using a gun dangerous to bystanders.
Many bad guys have spent years in prison studying how to disarm citizens, lifting weights and to attack with such speed that even the best trained armed people are at risk.
21 feet is the magic distance. A skilled criminal within 21 feet, can probably kill an armed person before he/she can draw and fire.[/quote]
Armed robber is taking hostages and making threats. I would rather take my chances that a bystander shoots them instead of waiting for my time in the execution line.
You underestimate gun owners that respect and fire their weapons regularly. I guarantee half of them shoot better than some fat donut eating cop…or worse yet, some mall cop.
Participant[quote=bubba99]All of my coworkers, and many of my friends carry guns most of the time. My observations are that it really does not make them or society any safer. In fact it only makes a gun available to the first criminal who is strong enough to take it away.
Law enforcement officers (LEOs)are way too slow to shoot making them vulnerable to having their guns and lives taken. Non-LEOs are generally too slow and unskilled to be effective. And rarely do they take into account “whats behind the target”. Making their using a gun dangerous to bystanders.
Many bad guys have spent years in prison studying how to disarm citizens, lifting weights and to attack with such speed that even the best trained armed people are at risk.
21 feet is the magic distance. A skilled criminal within 21 feet, can probably kill an armed person before he/she can draw and fire.[/quote]
Armed robber is taking hostages and making threats. I would rather take my chances that a bystander shoots them instead of waiting for my time in the execution line.
You underestimate gun owners that respect and fire their weapons regularly. I guarantee half of them shoot better than some fat donut eating cop…or worse yet, some mall cop.
Participant[quote=Rustico]Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.[/quote]I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. Most people I know that own guns have them to protect their home. Sure, if we were attacked like the movie “red dawn” you might want to have a gun…but lets get realistic. That is what our military is for.
Participant[quote=Rustico]Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.[/quote]I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. Most people I know that own guns have them to protect their home. Sure, if we were attacked like the movie “red dawn” you might want to have a gun…but lets get realistic. That is what our military is for.
Participant[quote=Rustico]Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.[/quote]I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. Most people I know that own guns have them to protect their home. Sure, if we were attacked like the movie “red dawn” you might want to have a gun…but lets get realistic. That is what our military is for.
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