Ot would we all be safer if everyone were armed?

[jstoesz]

I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.

[desmond]

[quote=jstoesz]I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.[/quote]

Ammunition for a handgun is what is getting expensive, February 1st, 2011, you will have to have a “face to face” transaction, and give a thumbprint (AB962) to buy handgun ammo in California. Thus out of state online retailers are in a battle to keep selling in CA. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition

[desmond]

[quote=jstoesz]I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.[/quote]

Ammunition for a handgun is what is getting expensive, February 1st, 2011, you will have to have a “face to face” transaction, and give a thumbprint (AB962) to buy handgun ammo in California. Thus out of state online retailers are in a battle to keep selling in CA. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition

[desmond]

[quote=jstoesz]I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.[/quote]

Ammunition for a handgun is what is getting expensive, February 1st, 2011, you will have to have a “face to face” transaction, and give a thumbprint (AB962) to buy handgun ammo in California. Thus out of state online retailers are in a battle to keep selling in CA. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition

[desmond]

[quote=jstoesz]I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.[/quote]

Ammunition for a handgun is what is getting expensive, February 1st, 2011, you will have to have a “face to face” transaction, and give a thumbprint (AB962) to buy handgun ammo in California. Thus out of state online retailers are in a battle to keep selling in CA. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition

[desmond]

[quote=jstoesz]I would like more people to own a gun, I think we would all be safer. But me personally, I am such an optimist (nothing bad will ever happen, and I am invincible besides) that I keep putting off the purchase. There are just too many cool things to buy for a few hundred bucks.[/quote]

Ammunition for a handgun is what is getting expensive, February 1st, 2011, you will have to have a “face to face” transaction, and give a thumbprint (AB962) to buy handgun ammo in California. Thus out of state online retailers are in a battle to keep selling in CA. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/2009_-_AB_962_De_Leon,_Ammunition

[NotCranky]

Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.

[NotCranky]

Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.

[NotCranky]

Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.

[NotCranky]

Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.

[NotCranky]

Of the people I have observed to own guns for any purpose, I would rather at least 50% of them did not. I imagine the ratio is similar for the people who have guns but I don’t know it.
Not sure I see how civilians owning guns is a sure defense against the government. They have bigger guns and perhaps half the armed civilians or more will take their side. We will always either have a government military or a military government anyway.I do agree though, that if guns are made illegal, then only the worst bastards will have them, the government and criminals.

[Djshakes]

I can’t watch the vid because it is blocked at work but I am an avid believer that gun laws only inhibit good citizens. In CA you have to pass a hand gun safety test and if you have a felony you can’t own a gun. THIS IS GOOD! They also require a 10 hold period from purchase date to pickup for every gun you buy. This is a cooling off period. Sort of retarded if you already own a gun/guns. They also restrict what types of guns can be sold. Fully automatic…I can understand that. However, a majority of guns are not on the CA roster and can’t be sold in CA. These guns are no different then similar guns on the roster. The reason is that a company has to pay the state of CA a fee to get each model they sell on the roster. It is basically a way for the state to extort money from these companies. It has nothing to do with safety. Because of this, a lot of companies basically give CA the bird and don’t even ship here. They don’t want to deal with our multitude of laws. Criminals will circumvent all these laws and it only hinders law abiding citizens.

Cities like Chicago do not allow guns in the city and they are some of the highest crime areas. Chicago has the most police officers in the country killed by gun fire. 1 in 89 residents become a victim of violent crimes.

It is the age old argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. Blaming guns is like blaming alcohol for drunk driving. This country loves trying to take the responsibility away from the individual and placing it on something/someone else.

If you were a criminal would you rather rob a house in D.C., Chicago, CA (strict gun laws on citizens) or TX?

[Djshakes]

I can’t watch the vid because it is blocked at work but I am an avid believer that gun laws only inhibit good citizens. In CA you have to pass a hand gun safety test and if you have a felony you can’t own a gun. THIS IS GOOD! They also require a 10 hold period from purchase date to pickup for every gun you buy. This is a cooling off period. Sort of retarded if you already own a gun/guns. They also restrict what types of guns can be sold. Fully automatic…I can understand that. However, a majority of guns are not on the CA roster and can’t be sold in CA. These guns are no different then similar guns on the roster. The reason is that a company has to pay the state of CA a fee to get each model they sell on the roster. It is basically a way for the state to extort money from these companies. It has nothing to do with safety. Because of this, a lot of companies basically give CA the bird and don’t even ship here. They don’t want to deal with our multitude of laws. Criminals will circumvent all these laws and it only hinders law abiding citizens.

Cities like Chicago do not allow guns in the city and they are some of the highest crime areas. Chicago has the most police officers in the country killed by gun fire. 1 in 89 residents become a victim of violent crimes.

It is the age old argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. Blaming guns is like blaming alcohol for drunk driving. This country loves trying to take the responsibility away from the individual and placing it on something/someone else.

If you were a criminal would you rather rob a house in D.C., Chicago, CA (strict gun laws on citizens) or TX?

[Djshakes]

I can’t watch the vid because it is blocked at work but I am an avid believer that gun laws only inhibit good citizens. In CA you have to pass a hand gun safety test and if you have a felony you can’t own a gun. THIS IS GOOD! They also require a 10 hold period from purchase date to pickup for every gun you buy. This is a cooling off period. Sort of retarded if you already own a gun/guns. They also restrict what types of guns can be sold. Fully automatic…I can understand that. However, a majority of guns are not on the CA roster and can’t be sold in CA. These guns are no different then similar guns on the roster. The reason is that a company has to pay the state of CA a fee to get each model they sell on the roster. It is basically a way for the state to extort money from these companies. It has nothing to do with safety. Because of this, a lot of companies basically give CA the bird and don’t even ship here. They don’t want to deal with our multitude of laws. Criminals will circumvent all these laws and it only hinders law abiding citizens.

Cities like Chicago do not allow guns in the city and they are some of the highest crime areas. Chicago has the most police officers in the country killed by gun fire. 1 in 89 residents become a victim of violent crimes.

It is the age old argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. Blaming guns is like blaming alcohol for drunk driving. This country loves trying to take the responsibility away from the individual and placing it on something/someone else.

If you were a criminal would you rather rob a house in D.C., Chicago, CA (strict gun laws on citizens) or TX?

[Djshakes]

I can’t watch the vid because it is blocked at work but I am an avid believer that gun laws only inhibit good citizens. In CA you have to pass a hand gun safety test and if you have a felony you can’t own a gun. THIS IS GOOD! They also require a 10 hold period from purchase date to pickup for every gun you buy. This is a cooling off period. Sort of retarded if you already own a gun/guns. They also restrict what types of guns can be sold. Fully automatic…I can understand that. However, a majority of guns are not on the CA roster and can’t be sold in CA. These guns are no different then similar guns on the roster. The reason is that a company has to pay the state of CA a fee to get each model they sell on the roster. It is basically a way for the state to extort money from these companies. It has nothing to do with safety. Because of this, a lot of companies basically give CA the bird and don’t even ship here. They don’t want to deal with our multitude of laws. Criminals will circumvent all these laws and it only hinders law abiding citizens.

Cities like Chicago do not allow guns in the city and they are some of the highest crime areas. Chicago has the most police officers in the country killed by gun fire. 1 in 89 residents become a victim of violent crimes.

It is the age old argument that guns don’t kill people, people do. Blaming guns is like blaming alcohol for drunk driving. This country loves trying to take the responsibility away from the individual and placing it on something/someone else.

If you were a criminal would you rather rob a house in D.C., Chicago, CA (strict gun laws on citizens) or TX?

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