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[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico] You are kind of scary.[/quote]

I scare myself sometimes.

But you have no choice but to live dangerously when you’re dealing with dangerous people.

“Don’t retreat, reload.”

What are we supposed to do while the other side reloads?

Noting that heated rhetoric was nothing new in an America where politicians used to resort to dueling with pistols, she went on to defend vigorous disagreement. “If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas.”

It would have been good if she had stopped there. But then, with characteristic passion, she turned to what she knew would be her most memorable line: a charge that her critics are the ones guilty of fomenting violence.

“Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn,” she said. “That is reprehensible.”

By “blood libel,” Palin was referring, of course, to the charge that her own rhetoric had somehow increased the likelihood that a mentally disturbed young man would shoot people. And on the substance, she was right: There’s no evidence that her words — or anyone else’s —contributed to Saturday’s tragedy.

But her statement also confirmed something that should disqualify the former Alaska governor from ever seeking higher office: She has no sense of proportion.

A “blood libel” isn’t just a groundless charge that something sparked bloodshed. It is used primarily to refer to the monstrous anti-Semitic charge that Jews kidnapped and killed Christian infants for ritual use, a falsehood that provided a twisted justification for pogroms.

Palin was justified in accusing her critics of unfairness in using the tragedy as a talking point and in pointing a finger at her. But she went much further than that: She asserted that their argument “serves only to incite … violence.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcmanus-column-palin-20110113,0,4794503.column

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Is our society at a point now where every word is look at under a microscope regardless of its obvious intent? It doesn’t surprise me coming from the LA Times. The author even admits they know what she is saying but if you dissect it really means x. Are politicians suppose to be walking thesauruses now? If this is all the LA Times can come up with they are pretty hurting. No wonder no one subscribes.

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[quote=briansd1][quote=Rustico] You are kind of scary.[/quote]

I scare myself sometimes.

But you have no choice but to live dangerously when you’re dealing with dangerous people.

“Don’t retreat, reload.”

What are we supposed to do while the other side reloads?

Noting that heated rhetoric was nothing new in an America where politicians used to resort to dueling with pistols, she went on to defend vigorous disagreement. “If you don’t like a person’s vision for the country, you’re free to debate that vision. If you don’t like their ideas, you’re free to propose better ideas.”

It would have been good if she had stopped there. But then, with characteristic passion, she turned to what she knew would be her most memorable line: a charge that her critics are the ones guilty of fomenting violence.

“Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn,” she said. “That is reprehensible.”

By “blood libel,” Palin was referring, of course, to the charge that her own rhetoric had somehow increased the likelihood that a mentally disturbed young man would shoot people. And on the substance, she was right: There’s no evidence that her words — or anyone else’s —contributed to Saturday’s tragedy.

But her statement also confirmed something that should disqualify the former Alaska governor from ever seeking higher office: She has no sense of proportion.

A “blood libel” isn’t just a groundless charge that something sparked bloodshed. It is used primarily to refer to the monstrous anti-Semitic charge that Jews kidnapped and killed Christian infants for ritual use, a falsehood that provided a twisted justification for pogroms.

Palin was justified in accusing her critics of unfairness in using the tragedy as a talking point and in pointing a finger at her. But she went much further than that: She asserted that their argument “serves only to incite … violence.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcmanus-column-palin-20110113,0,4794503.column

[/quote]

Is our society at a point now where every word is look at under a microscope regardless of its obvious intent? It doesn’t surprise me coming from the LA Times. The author even admits they know what she is saying but if you dissect it really means x. Are politicians suppose to be walking thesauruses now? If this is all the LA Times can come up with they are pretty hurting. No wonder no one subscribes.

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[quote=briansd1]Great beautifully written post, Arraya. I agree also.

With respect to “the desire to stifle certain forms of expression”, it’s now my side’s turn to not waste an opportunity.

As Arraya said, we are shaped by our environment. If we change the language and the culture, we can change society.

The Right wants to wage the culture war. Bring it on. I wouldn’t mind eradicating redneck culture.[/quote]

You mean shape your environment much like Edward Bernays (I’m sure one of you progressive hero’s) would with enlightened despotism? You see, Edward believe humans are much like cattle and unable to make decisions for themselves. They need the elitist progressives to guide them in the right direction. If they don’t move in this direction the progressive will use a cattle prod. All this for their own good of course because they may vote for the wrong person or thing. If the herd doesn’t move after the cattle prod then you have to pick out the “bad” cattle in the herd that may be holding the herd back and eliminate….all for the good of the herd of course.

I hear this rhetoric from the left daily. Idiots like Bill Maher debated that the public should get on board or be dragged kicking and screaming to accept the new healthcare legislation. Those who oppose like Glenn Beck or others should be silenced because they are disrupting the herd. So the left is quick to never let a good crisis go to waste and blame these rebel rouses for the violence of the shooting although they are unable to come up with any evidence of such promotion.

It is this progressive mentality that goes against everything our country stands for. Liberty and individualism.

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[quote=briansd1]Great beautifully written post, Arraya. I agree also.

With respect to “the desire to stifle certain forms of expression”, it’s now my side’s turn to not waste an opportunity.

As Arraya said, we are shaped by our environment. If we change the language and the culture, we can change society.

The Right wants to wage the culture war. Bring it on. I wouldn’t mind eradicating redneck culture.[/quote]

You mean shape your environment much like Edward Bernays (I’m sure one of you progressive hero’s) would with enlightened despotism? You see, Edward believe humans are much like cattle and unable to make decisions for themselves. They need the elitist progressives to guide them in the right direction. If they don’t move in this direction the progressive will use a cattle prod. All this for their own good of course because they may vote for the wrong person or thing. If the herd doesn’t move after the cattle prod then you have to pick out the “bad” cattle in the herd that may be holding the herd back and eliminate….all for the good of the herd of course.

I hear this rhetoric from the left daily. Idiots like Bill Maher debated that the public should get on board or be dragged kicking and screaming to accept the new healthcare legislation. Those who oppose like Glenn Beck or others should be silenced because they are disrupting the herd. So the left is quick to never let a good crisis go to waste and blame these rebel rouses for the violence of the shooting although they are unable to come up with any evidence of such promotion.

It is this progressive mentality that goes against everything our country stands for. Liberty and individualism.

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[quote=briansd1]Great beautifully written post, Arraya. I agree also.

With respect to “the desire to stifle certain forms of expression”, it’s now my side’s turn to not waste an opportunity.

As Arraya said, we are shaped by our environment. If we change the language and the culture, we can change society.

The Right wants to wage the culture war. Bring it on. I wouldn’t mind eradicating redneck culture.[/quote]

You mean shape your environment much like Edward Bernays (I’m sure one of you progressive hero’s) would with enlightened despotism? You see, Edward believe humans are much like cattle and unable to make decisions for themselves. They need the elitist progressives to guide them in the right direction. If they don’t move in this direction the progressive will use a cattle prod. All this for their own good of course because they may vote for the wrong person or thing. If the herd doesn’t move after the cattle prod then you have to pick out the “bad” cattle in the herd that may be holding the herd back and eliminate….all for the good of the herd of course.

I hear this rhetoric from the left daily. Idiots like Bill Maher debated that the public should get on board or be dragged kicking and screaming to accept the new healthcare legislation. Those who oppose like Glenn Beck or others should be silenced because they are disrupting the herd. So the left is quick to never let a good crisis go to waste and blame these rebel rouses for the violence of the shooting although they are unable to come up with any evidence of such promotion.

It is this progressive mentality that goes against everything our country stands for. Liberty and individualism.

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[quote=briansd1]Great beautifully written post, Arraya. I agree also.

With respect to “the desire to stifle certain forms of expression”, it’s now my side’s turn to not waste an opportunity.

As Arraya said, we are shaped by our environment. If we change the language and the culture, we can change society.

The Right wants to wage the culture war. Bring it on. I wouldn’t mind eradicating redneck culture.[/quote]

You mean shape your environment much like Edward Bernays (I’m sure one of you progressive hero’s) would with enlightened despotism? You see, Edward believe humans are much like cattle and unable to make decisions for themselves. They need the elitist progressives to guide them in the right direction. If they don’t move in this direction the progressive will use a cattle prod. All this for their own good of course because they may vote for the wrong person or thing. If the herd doesn’t move after the cattle prod then you have to pick out the “bad” cattle in the herd that may be holding the herd back and eliminate….all for the good of the herd of course.

I hear this rhetoric from the left daily. Idiots like Bill Maher debated that the public should get on board or be dragged kicking and screaming to accept the new healthcare legislation. Those who oppose like Glenn Beck or others should be silenced because they are disrupting the herd. So the left is quick to never let a good crisis go to waste and blame these rebel rouses for the violence of the shooting although they are unable to come up with any evidence of such promotion.

It is this progressive mentality that goes against everything our country stands for. Liberty and individualism.

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[quote=briansd1]Great beautifully written post, Arraya. I agree also.

With respect to “the desire to stifle certain forms of expression”, it’s now my side’s turn to not waste an opportunity.

As Arraya said, we are shaped by our environment. If we change the language and the culture, we can change society.

The Right wants to wage the culture war. Bring it on. I wouldn’t mind eradicating redneck culture.[/quote]

You mean shape your environment much like Edward Bernays (I’m sure one of you progressive hero’s) would with enlightened despotism? You see, Edward believe humans are much like cattle and unable to make decisions for themselves. They need the elitist progressives to guide them in the right direction. If they don’t move in this direction the progressive will use a cattle prod. All this for their own good of course because they may vote for the wrong person or thing. If the herd doesn’t move after the cattle prod then you have to pick out the “bad” cattle in the herd that may be holding the herd back and eliminate….all for the good of the herd of course.

I hear this rhetoric from the left daily. Idiots like Bill Maher debated that the public should get on board or be dragged kicking and screaming to accept the new healthcare legislation. Those who oppose like Glenn Beck or others should be silenced because they are disrupting the herd. So the left is quick to never let a good crisis go to waste and blame these rebel rouses for the violence of the shooting although they are unable to come up with any evidence of such promotion.

It is this progressive mentality that goes against everything our country stands for. Liberty and individualism.

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[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]
I think his post had some good points, but how is shooting a rioter the same as fighting the government with civilian legal guns?[/quote]

It doesn’t. I was emphasizing the point of people acting like toads in boiling water.

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[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]
I think his post had some good points, but how is shooting a rioter the same as fighting the government with civilian legal guns?[/quote]

It doesn’t. I was emphasizing the point of people acting like toads in boiling water.

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[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]
I think his post had some good points, but how is shooting a rioter the same as fighting the government with civilian legal guns?[/quote]

It doesn’t. I was emphasizing the point of people acting like toads in boiling water.

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[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]
I think his post had some good points, but how is shooting a rioter the same as fighting the government with civilian legal guns?[/quote]

It doesn’t. I was emphasizing the point of people acting like toads in boiling water.

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[quote=Rustico][quote=Djshakes][quote=Djshakes]
I don’t buy guns to fight against the government. Anyone with that mentality is retarded. [/quote]

I retract this after reading the last post, which was great. It is hard for anyone to make cries of “conspiracy nut” after ready fatericcartmen’s post. To some, everyone that thinks that way is a conspiracy nut…until it happens.

Case and point. My buddy lives in Santa Monica surrounded by libs. A couple of his neighbors found out he had some guns and scoffed at him. Then the riots broke out and I believe Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or someone said something to the regards of “The three B’s are next”. Meaning Brentwood, Beverly hills and another city in the area. This scared people. He told me those same snobby libs that scoffed at him now approached him fearful of the situation and said “You have guns, right?” FU was his response.[/quote]
I think his post had some good points, but how is shooting a rioter the same as fighting the government with civilian legal guns?[/quote]

It doesn’t. I was emphasizing the point of people acting like toads in boiling water.

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[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]

TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.

We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.

To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”

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[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]

TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.

We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.

To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”

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[quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?

I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]

TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.

We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.

To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”

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