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Anybody notice that we seem to have entered an era of Presential dynasties? Seems very much like Roman times…and we know what happened to that society.[/quote]I agree with that comment. White House isn’t supposed to be part of a ‘family business enterprise’.
We should have a rule that ex-president’s wife/sons/siblings/cousins should not run for POTUS for at least 20 years after the ex-president’s last day as POTUS.
There’s got to be enough talent outside of these circles who can be a good POTUS…
Participant[quote=svelte]
Anybody notice that we seem to have entered an era of Presential dynasties? Seems very much like Roman times…and we know what happened to that society.[/quote]I agree with that comment. White House isn’t supposed to be part of a ‘family business enterprise’.
We should have a rule that ex-president’s wife/sons/siblings/cousins should not run for POTUS for at least 20 years after the ex-president’s last day as POTUS.
There’s got to be enough talent outside of these circles who can be a good POTUS…
Participant[quote=svelte]
Anybody notice that we seem to have entered an era of Presential dynasties? Seems very much like Roman times…and we know what happened to that society.[/quote]I agree with that comment. White House isn’t supposed to be part of a ‘family business enterprise’.
We should have a rule that ex-president’s wife/sons/siblings/cousins should not run for POTUS for at least 20 years after the ex-president’s last day as POTUS.
There’s got to be enough talent outside of these circles who can be a good POTUS…
Participant[quote=svelte]
Anybody notice that we seem to have entered an era of Presential dynasties? Seems very much like Roman times…and we know what happened to that society.[/quote]I agree with that comment. White House isn’t supposed to be part of a ‘family business enterprise’.
We should have a rule that ex-president’s wife/sons/siblings/cousins should not run for POTUS for at least 20 years after the ex-president’s last day as POTUS.
There’s got to be enough talent outside of these circles who can be a good POTUS…
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.
[/quote]And good for them.
I believe you are trying to portray how Toyota (and presumably Korean/European car companies) has unfair advantage due to subsidies from the Japanese govt. Toyota/Japanese govt had the wisdom to think long term. I don’t know if you can use that (govt ‘subsidizing’ Toyota) to place blame on Japan/Korea/Europe for the troubles the Big 2 are experiencing now.
Weren’t GM/Ford criticized for focusing just on large cars because they were more profitable? I don’t think there was any ban placed on the Big 2 from making small/efficient cars.
Remember GM’s EV1? Celebrities actually protested on the street for FREE to keep the EV1 on the road but GM didn’t listen. Is that the fault of Japan/Korea/Europe car companies?
Japanese govt spends public funding in a sensible way (probably a drop in the bucket) to help develop a car that’s pretty much revolutionary. Meanwhile, because the management at Big 2 didn’t think long term, US govt spends boat load of $ (in panic) just to keep Big 2 afloat. That’s not the fault of anyone but the heads of Big 2.
All we can and should do is demand better products from the Big 2. No amount of ‘Buy America’ slogan will really make a big difference, imho. It’s great that the Big 2 are making improvements in the quality. Hopefully it will get better in time.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.
[/quote]And good for them.
I believe you are trying to portray how Toyota (and presumably Korean/European car companies) has unfair advantage due to subsidies from the Japanese govt. Toyota/Japanese govt had the wisdom to think long term. I don’t know if you can use that (govt ‘subsidizing’ Toyota) to place blame on Japan/Korea/Europe for the troubles the Big 2 are experiencing now.
Weren’t GM/Ford criticized for focusing just on large cars because they were more profitable? I don’t think there was any ban placed on the Big 2 from making small/efficient cars.
Remember GM’s EV1? Celebrities actually protested on the street for FREE to keep the EV1 on the road but GM didn’t listen. Is that the fault of Japan/Korea/Europe car companies?
Japanese govt spends public funding in a sensible way (probably a drop in the bucket) to help develop a car that’s pretty much revolutionary. Meanwhile, because the management at Big 2 didn’t think long term, US govt spends boat load of $ (in panic) just to keep Big 2 afloat. That’s not the fault of anyone but the heads of Big 2.
All we can and should do is demand better products from the Big 2. No amount of ‘Buy America’ slogan will really make a big difference, imho. It’s great that the Big 2 are making improvements in the quality. Hopefully it will get better in time.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.
[/quote]And good for them.
I believe you are trying to portray how Toyota (and presumably Korean/European car companies) has unfair advantage due to subsidies from the Japanese govt. Toyota/Japanese govt had the wisdom to think long term. I don’t know if you can use that (govt ‘subsidizing’ Toyota) to place blame on Japan/Korea/Europe for the troubles the Big 2 are experiencing now.
Weren’t GM/Ford criticized for focusing just on large cars because they were more profitable? I don’t think there was any ban placed on the Big 2 from making small/efficient cars.
Remember GM’s EV1? Celebrities actually protested on the street for FREE to keep the EV1 on the road but GM didn’t listen. Is that the fault of Japan/Korea/Europe car companies?
Japanese govt spends public funding in a sensible way (probably a drop in the bucket) to help develop a car that’s pretty much revolutionary. Meanwhile, because the management at Big 2 didn’t think long term, US govt spends boat load of $ (in panic) just to keep Big 2 afloat. That’s not the fault of anyone but the heads of Big 2.
All we can and should do is demand better products from the Big 2. No amount of ‘Buy America’ slogan will really make a big difference, imho. It’s great that the Big 2 are making improvements in the quality. Hopefully it will get better in time.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.
[/quote]And good for them.
I believe you are trying to portray how Toyota (and presumably Korean/European car companies) has unfair advantage due to subsidies from the Japanese govt. Toyota/Japanese govt had the wisdom to think long term. I don’t know if you can use that (govt ‘subsidizing’ Toyota) to place blame on Japan/Korea/Europe for the troubles the Big 2 are experiencing now.
Weren’t GM/Ford criticized for focusing just on large cars because they were more profitable? I don’t think there was any ban placed on the Big 2 from making small/efficient cars.
Remember GM’s EV1? Celebrities actually protested on the street for FREE to keep the EV1 on the road but GM didn’t listen. Is that the fault of Japan/Korea/Europe car companies?
Japanese govt spends public funding in a sensible way (probably a drop in the bucket) to help develop a car that’s pretty much revolutionary. Meanwhile, because the management at Big 2 didn’t think long term, US govt spends boat load of $ (in panic) just to keep Big 2 afloat. That’s not the fault of anyone but the heads of Big 2.
All we can and should do is demand better products from the Big 2. No amount of ‘Buy America’ slogan will really make a big difference, imho. It’s great that the Big 2 are making improvements in the quality. Hopefully it will get better in time.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Japanese Gov. funded a large part of Toyota’s Prius development.
[/quote]And good for them.
I believe you are trying to portray how Toyota (and presumably Korean/European car companies) has unfair advantage due to subsidies from the Japanese govt. Toyota/Japanese govt had the wisdom to think long term. I don’t know if you can use that (govt ‘subsidizing’ Toyota) to place blame on Japan/Korea/Europe for the troubles the Big 2 are experiencing now.
Weren’t GM/Ford criticized for focusing just on large cars because they were more profitable? I don’t think there was any ban placed on the Big 2 from making small/efficient cars.
Remember GM’s EV1? Celebrities actually protested on the street for FREE to keep the EV1 on the road but GM didn’t listen. Is that the fault of Japan/Korea/Europe car companies?
Japanese govt spends public funding in a sensible way (probably a drop in the bucket) to help develop a car that’s pretty much revolutionary. Meanwhile, because the management at Big 2 didn’t think long term, US govt spends boat load of $ (in panic) just to keep Big 2 afloat. That’s not the fault of anyone but the heads of Big 2.
All we can and should do is demand better products from the Big 2. No amount of ‘Buy America’ slogan will really make a big difference, imho. It’s great that the Big 2 are making improvements in the quality. Hopefully it will get better in time.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
[/quote]Pity no such passion for computers BUILT in US.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
[/quote]Pity no such passion for computers BUILT in US.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
[/quote]Pity no such passion for computers BUILT in US.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
[/quote]Pity no such passion for computers BUILT in US.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
[/quote]Pity no such passion for computers BUILT in US.
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