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[quote=SD Realtor]Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? [/quote]

I would LOVE not to pay for auto insurance but I have to. If I don’t ‘participate’ in getting auto insurance I will get in trouble with the law.

Why?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? [/quote]

I would LOVE not to pay for auto insurance but I have to. If I don’t ‘participate’ in getting auto insurance I will get in trouble with the law.

Why?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? [/quote]

I would LOVE not to pay for auto insurance but I have to. If I don’t ‘participate’ in getting auto insurance I will get in trouble with the law.

Why?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? [/quote]

I would LOVE not to pay for auto insurance but I have to. If I don’t ‘participate’ in getting auto insurance I will get in trouble with the law.

Why?

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[quote=SD Realtor]Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? [/quote]

I would LOVE not to pay for auto insurance but I have to. If I don’t ‘participate’ in getting auto insurance I will get in trouble with the law.

Why?

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[quote=SD Realtor]dbapig if the coverage is so great why don’t federal employees have it?

My beef is not with affordable health care or a national plan. My beef is not even with higher taxes to support it. My problem is all the controls being implemented for it. Read what Arraya posted, the plan is so rife with special interests that it is pathetic. Do you know how much money AARP will get because they are an insurance provider? Cant you see why they are pushing it? AARP members could receive reduced care but AARP will make a MINT because they will be able to peddle the policies.

I am okay with a plan believe me. Why the hell does it have to be slammed through in a matter of 10 weeks? What is the rush? When Mass went to a plan it took them 2 years of studying and working with the industry to implement.

Can’t a plan be crafted that is a little less Orwellian? Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? Can we at least choose to not undertake insuring people who are not legal citizens of the USA?

Wouldn’t you think that if we are going to undertake such a plan that perhaps it should be as well thought out as possible and crafted with diligence and care over a bit longer period of time?

What

is

the

rush?[/quote]

When you say coverage that federal employees don’t have, do you mean National health coverage? Well, maybe they don’t have it because it doesn’t exist yet?

I agree with your disgust with how much the special interests are controlling the process, not the real interest of the Americans. I was the one who posted in this thread the opinion by Paul Krugman from NYT who was pointing fingers at the few Blue Dogs (conservative democrats) who are basically in control of the debate in congress, and how insurance/pharmas are pouring millions into their coffers.

I think the democrats are ‘ramming’ this through because
1) this issue has been talked about since Truman days
2) attempt as recent as in Clinton years didn’t happen
3) timing for getting this done is probably best at this point

I do agree this kind of program should require much study and planning. But we had decades to work on this but nothing happened.

The rush is to get it done before it gets out of control even more. And democrats know we may not get another chance at this for maybe another decade.

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[quote=SD Realtor]dbapig if the coverage is so great why don’t federal employees have it?

My beef is not with affordable health care or a national plan. My beef is not even with higher taxes to support it. My problem is all the controls being implemented for it. Read what Arraya posted, the plan is so rife with special interests that it is pathetic. Do you know how much money AARP will get because they are an insurance provider? Cant you see why they are pushing it? AARP members could receive reduced care but AARP will make a MINT because they will be able to peddle the policies.

I am okay with a plan believe me. Why the hell does it have to be slammed through in a matter of 10 weeks? What is the rush? When Mass went to a plan it took them 2 years of studying and working with the industry to implement.

Can’t a plan be crafted that is a little less Orwellian? Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? Can we at least choose to not undertake insuring people who are not legal citizens of the USA?

Wouldn’t you think that if we are going to undertake such a plan that perhaps it should be as well thought out as possible and crafted with diligence and care over a bit longer period of time?

What

is

the

rush?[/quote]

When you say coverage that federal employees don’t have, do you mean National health coverage? Well, maybe they don’t have it because it doesn’t exist yet?

I agree with your disgust with how much the special interests are controlling the process, not the real interest of the Americans. I was the one who posted in this thread the opinion by Paul Krugman from NYT who was pointing fingers at the few Blue Dogs (conservative democrats) who are basically in control of the debate in congress, and how insurance/pharmas are pouring millions into their coffers.

I think the democrats are ‘ramming’ this through because
1) this issue has been talked about since Truman days
2) attempt as recent as in Clinton years didn’t happen
3) timing for getting this done is probably best at this point

I do agree this kind of program should require much study and planning. But we had decades to work on this but nothing happened.

The rush is to get it done before it gets out of control even more. And democrats know we may not get another chance at this for maybe another decade.

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[quote=SD Realtor]dbapig if the coverage is so great why don’t federal employees have it?

My beef is not with affordable health care or a national plan. My beef is not even with higher taxes to support it. My problem is all the controls being implemented for it. Read what Arraya posted, the plan is so rife with special interests that it is pathetic. Do you know how much money AARP will get because they are an insurance provider? Cant you see why they are pushing it? AARP members could receive reduced care but AARP will make a MINT because they will be able to peddle the policies.

I am okay with a plan believe me. Why the hell does it have to be slammed through in a matter of 10 weeks? What is the rush? When Mass went to a plan it took them 2 years of studying and working with the industry to implement.

Can’t a plan be crafted that is a little less Orwellian? Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? Can we at least choose to not undertake insuring people who are not legal citizens of the USA?

Wouldn’t you think that if we are going to undertake such a plan that perhaps it should be as well thought out as possible and crafted with diligence and care over a bit longer period of time?

What

is

the

rush?[/quote]

When you say coverage that federal employees don’t have, do you mean National health coverage? Well, maybe they don’t have it because it doesn’t exist yet?

I agree with your disgust with how much the special interests are controlling the process, not the real interest of the Americans. I was the one who posted in this thread the opinion by Paul Krugman from NYT who was pointing fingers at the few Blue Dogs (conservative democrats) who are basically in control of the debate in congress, and how insurance/pharmas are pouring millions into their coffers.

I think the democrats are ‘ramming’ this through because
1) this issue has been talked about since Truman days
2) attempt as recent as in Clinton years didn’t happen
3) timing for getting this done is probably best at this point

I do agree this kind of program should require much study and planning. But we had decades to work on this but nothing happened.

The rush is to get it done before it gets out of control even more. And democrats know we may not get another chance at this for maybe another decade.

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[quote=SD Realtor]dbapig if the coverage is so great why don’t federal employees have it?

My beef is not with affordable health care or a national plan. My beef is not even with higher taxes to support it. My problem is all the controls being implemented for it. Read what Arraya posted, the plan is so rife with special interests that it is pathetic. Do you know how much money AARP will get because they are an insurance provider? Cant you see why they are pushing it? AARP members could receive reduced care but AARP will make a MINT because they will be able to peddle the policies.

I am okay with a plan believe me. Why the hell does it have to be slammed through in a matter of 10 weeks? What is the rush? When Mass went to a plan it took them 2 years of studying and working with the industry to implement.

Can’t a plan be crafted that is a little less Orwellian? Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? Can we at least choose to not undertake insuring people who are not legal citizens of the USA?

Wouldn’t you think that if we are going to undertake such a plan that perhaps it should be as well thought out as possible and crafted with diligence and care over a bit longer period of time?

What

is

the

rush?[/quote]

When you say coverage that federal employees don’t have, do you mean National health coverage? Well, maybe they don’t have it because it doesn’t exist yet?

I agree with your disgust with how much the special interests are controlling the process, not the real interest of the Americans. I was the one who posted in this thread the opinion by Paul Krugman from NYT who was pointing fingers at the few Blue Dogs (conservative democrats) who are basically in control of the debate in congress, and how insurance/pharmas are pouring millions into their coffers.

I think the democrats are ‘ramming’ this through because
1) this issue has been talked about since Truman days
2) attempt as recent as in Clinton years didn’t happen
3) timing for getting this done is probably best at this point

I do agree this kind of program should require much study and planning. But we had decades to work on this but nothing happened.

The rush is to get it done before it gets out of control even more. And democrats know we may not get another chance at this for maybe another decade.

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[quote=SD Realtor]dbapig if the coverage is so great why don’t federal employees have it?

My beef is not with affordable health care or a national plan. My beef is not even with higher taxes to support it. My problem is all the controls being implemented for it. Read what Arraya posted, the plan is so rife with special interests that it is pathetic. Do you know how much money AARP will get because they are an insurance provider? Cant you see why they are pushing it? AARP members could receive reduced care but AARP will make a MINT because they will be able to peddle the policies.

I am okay with a plan believe me. Why the hell does it have to be slammed through in a matter of 10 weeks? What is the rush? When Mass went to a plan it took them 2 years of studying and working with the industry to implement.

Can’t a plan be crafted that is a little less Orwellian? Can’t people at least choose to participate in it rather then be fined? Can we at least choose to not undertake insuring people who are not legal citizens of the USA?

Wouldn’t you think that if we are going to undertake such a plan that perhaps it should be as well thought out as possible and crafted with diligence and care over a bit longer period of time?

What

is

the

rush?[/quote]

When you say coverage that federal employees don’t have, do you mean National health coverage? Well, maybe they don’t have it because it doesn’t exist yet?

I agree with your disgust with how much the special interests are controlling the process, not the real interest of the Americans. I was the one who posted in this thread the opinion by Paul Krugman from NYT who was pointing fingers at the few Blue Dogs (conservative democrats) who are basically in control of the debate in congress, and how insurance/pharmas are pouring millions into their coffers.

I think the democrats are ‘ramming’ this through because
1) this issue has been talked about since Truman days
2) attempt as recent as in Clinton years didn’t happen
3) timing for getting this done is probably best at this point

I do agree this kind of program should require much study and planning. But we had decades to work on this but nothing happened.

The rush is to get it done before it gets out of control even more. And democrats know we may not get another chance at this for maybe another decade.

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[quote=CONCHO]South Korea has a working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Excellent point DBA. Why are people surprised that Asian cars are a great value? Asian manufacturers don’t have to pay for health care costs since they are paid for by every worker in his taxes to a government-run insurance program. Here in the US, our companies are saddled with the additional burden of having to provide healthcare for their workers.[/quote]

Anti-Obamans complain how GM was bailed out etc etc. Whether you agree or not with the policy, you do realize that providing health care for its retirees and workers was a huge financial burden for GM.

Lots of attention has been focused on national health coverage in Western European countries/Canada. Not much has been talked about the national health coverage in South Korea. Maybe US MSM is ashamed to be shown how to do things right by SOUTH KOREA? j/k j/k.

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[quote=CONCHO]South Korea has a working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Excellent point DBA. Why are people surprised that Asian cars are a great value? Asian manufacturers don’t have to pay for health care costs since they are paid for by every worker in his taxes to a government-run insurance program. Here in the US, our companies are saddled with the additional burden of having to provide healthcare for their workers.[/quote]

Anti-Obamans complain how GM was bailed out etc etc. Whether you agree or not with the policy, you do realize that providing health care for its retirees and workers was a huge financial burden for GM.

Lots of attention has been focused on national health coverage in Western European countries/Canada. Not much has been talked about the national health coverage in South Korea. Maybe US MSM is ashamed to be shown how to do things right by SOUTH KOREA? j/k j/k.

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[quote=CONCHO]South Korea has a working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Excellent point DBA. Why are people surprised that Asian cars are a great value? Asian manufacturers don’t have to pay for health care costs since they are paid for by every worker in his taxes to a government-run insurance program. Here in the US, our companies are saddled with the additional burden of having to provide healthcare for their workers.[/quote]

Anti-Obamans complain how GM was bailed out etc etc. Whether you agree or not with the policy, you do realize that providing health care for its retirees and workers was a huge financial burden for GM.

Lots of attention has been focused on national health coverage in Western European countries/Canada. Not much has been talked about the national health coverage in South Korea. Maybe US MSM is ashamed to be shown how to do things right by SOUTH KOREA? j/k j/k.

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[quote=CONCHO]South Korea has a working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Excellent point DBA. Why are people surprised that Asian cars are a great value? Asian manufacturers don’t have to pay for health care costs since they are paid for by every worker in his taxes to a government-run insurance program. Here in the US, our companies are saddled with the additional burden of having to provide healthcare for their workers.[/quote]

Anti-Obamans complain how GM was bailed out etc etc. Whether you agree or not with the policy, you do realize that providing health care for its retirees and workers was a huge financial burden for GM.

Lots of attention has been focused on national health coverage in Western European countries/Canada. Not much has been talked about the national health coverage in South Korea. Maybe US MSM is ashamed to be shown how to do things right by SOUTH KOREA? j/k j/k.

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[quote=CONCHO]South Korea has a working national healthcare coverage, surely the mighty USA can do it also?

Come on US of A, Americans have (or used to) been mocking how junky Korean Hyundai cars are etc etc. And they have a national health coverage!!!

Excellent point DBA. Why are people surprised that Asian cars are a great value? Asian manufacturers don’t have to pay for health care costs since they are paid for by every worker in his taxes to a government-run insurance program. Here in the US, our companies are saddled with the additional burden of having to provide healthcare for their workers.[/quote]

Anti-Obamans complain how GM was bailed out etc etc. Whether you agree or not with the policy, you do realize that providing health care for its retirees and workers was a huge financial burden for GM.

Lots of attention has been focused on national health coverage in Western European countries/Canada. Not much has been talked about the national health coverage in South Korea. Maybe US MSM is ashamed to be shown how to do things right by SOUTH KOREA? j/k j/k.

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