[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

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[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I found this  thing interesting btw:

http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673795&p3=-1&ix=42

 

MLS# 071073254 

$400,000 3887 PELL PL 134 2/2

But if you read the comments section

Sellers w/entertain offers between $349, 9K-$399 K, Short sale, Only 1 year old! 9-foot ceilings, hardwood flooring in LR/DR/Kitchen slab granite counters, stainless steel appliances, underground garage, Gated project, exercise room, 2miles 2the beach, by shopping center, library, bookstore, ball fields /pool/tennis next door

originally listed $479k.  But seller entertains $350k? Ouch. Doubt the short sale will go through.

 

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I found this  thing interesting btw:

http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673795&p3=-1&ix=42

 

MLS# 071073254 

$400,000 3887 PELL PL 134 2/2

But if you read the comments section

Sellers w/entertain offers between $349, 9K-$399 K, Short sale, Only 1 year old! 9-foot ceilings, hardwood flooring in LR/DR/Kitchen slab granite counters, stainless steel appliances, underground garage, Gated project, exercise room, 2miles 2the beach, by shopping center, library, bookstore, ball fields /pool/tennis next door

originally listed $479k.  But seller entertains $350k? Ouch. Doubt the short sale will go through.

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I found this  thing interesting btw:

http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673795&p3=-1&ix=42

 

MLS# 071073254 

$400,000 3887 PELL PL 134 2/2

But if you read the comments section

Sellers w/entertain offers between $349, 9K-$399 K, Short sale, Only 1 year old! 9-foot ceilings, hardwood flooring in LR/DR/Kitchen slab granite counters, stainless steel appliances, underground garage, Gated project, exercise room, 2miles 2the beach, by shopping center, library, bookstore, ball fields /pool/tennis next door

originally listed $479k.  But seller entertains $350k? Ouch. Doubt the short sale will go through.

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I found this  thing interesting btw:

http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673795&p3=-1&ix=42

 

MLS# 071073254 

$400,000 3887 PELL PL 134 2/2

But if you read the comments section

Sellers w/entertain offers between $349, 9K-$399 K, Short sale, Only 1 year old! 9-foot ceilings, hardwood flooring in LR/DR/Kitchen slab granite counters, stainless steel appliances, underground garage, Gated project, exercise room, 2miles 2the beach, by shopping center, library, bookstore, ball fields /pool/tennis next door

originally listed $479k.  But seller entertains $350k? Ouch. Doubt the short sale will go through.

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I found this  thing interesting btw:

http://sandiego.houserebate.com/search/homeview.asp?id=1673795&p3=-1&ix=42

 

MLS# 071073254 

$400,000 3887 PELL PL 134 2/2

But if you read the comments section

Sellers w/entertain offers between $349, 9K-$399 K, Short sale, Only 1 year old! 9-foot ceilings, hardwood flooring in LR/DR/Kitchen slab granite counters, stainless steel appliances, underground garage, Gated project, exercise room, 2miles 2the beach, by shopping center, library, bookstore, ball fields /pool/tennis next door

originally listed $479k.  But seller entertains $350k? Ouch. Doubt the short sale will go through.

 

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

jpinpb,

Actually, relative to 2005, prices in this attached market have started to fallen considerably, more so than the detached markets. And there won't imho be any stimulus to thwart addition price falls in the attached markets. The extra variable about the CV attached market is the unusually large number of inventory, not just from people trying to sell, but from all the developers and condo-converts adding to an already bloated inventory. In the past, some of the condo-converts have been trying to limit sales. It seems like a lot of them have lately started to give the "hail mary" and dump a large set of inventory onto the market. This can't be good for resale. Carmel Pointe, Heights, Analucia, are just three of a couple of apartments that converted. By far, Heights isn't the worst, but it probably converted during the worst time (at the end of the peek).My advice if you are looking in the attached markets would be to wait. But if you are indeed looking, look to these converts to depress other nicer attached units elsewhere in CV.

 

San Diegan, Ok I stand corrected on the school district. Last time I asked, elementary was designated as Carmel Creek, but I guess that one is full. If I remember, some of the buildings had units below ground level.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

jpinpb,

Actually, relative to 2005, prices in this attached market have started to fallen considerably, more so than the detached markets. And there won't imho be any stimulus to thwart addition price falls in the attached markets. The extra variable about the CV attached market is the unusually large number of inventory, not just from people trying to sell, but from all the developers and condo-converts adding to an already bloated inventory. In the past, some of the condo-converts have been trying to limit sales. It seems like a lot of them have lately started to give the "hail mary" and dump a large set of inventory onto the market. This can't be good for resale. Carmel Pointe, Heights, Analucia, are just three of a couple of apartments that converted. By far, Heights isn't the worst, but it probably converted during the worst time (at the end of the peek).My advice if you are looking in the attached markets would be to wait. But if you are indeed looking, look to these converts to depress other nicer attached units elsewhere in CV.

 

San Diegan, Ok I stand corrected on the school district. Last time I asked, elementary was designated as Carmel Creek, but I guess that one is full. If I remember, some of the buildings had units below ground level.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

jpinpb,

Actually, relative to 2005, prices in this attached market have started to fallen considerably, more so than the detached markets. And there won't imho be any stimulus to thwart addition price falls in the attached markets. The extra variable about the CV attached market is the unusually large number of inventory, not just from people trying to sell, but from all the developers and condo-converts adding to an already bloated inventory. In the past, some of the condo-converts have been trying to limit sales. It seems like a lot of them have lately started to give the "hail mary" and dump a large set of inventory onto the market. This can't be good for resale. Carmel Pointe, Heights, Analucia, are just three of a couple of apartments that converted. By far, Heights isn't the worst, but it probably converted during the worst time (at the end of the peek).My advice if you are looking in the attached markets would be to wait. But if you are indeed looking, look to these converts to depress other nicer attached units elsewhere in CV.

 

San Diegan, Ok I stand corrected on the school district. Last time I asked, elementary was designated as Carmel Creek, but I guess that one is full. If I remember, some of the buildings had units below ground level.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

jpinpb,

Actually, relative to 2005, prices in this attached market have started to fallen considerably, more so than the detached markets. And there won't imho be any stimulus to thwart addition price falls in the attached markets. The extra variable about the CV attached market is the unusually large number of inventory, not just from people trying to sell, but from all the developers and condo-converts adding to an already bloated inventory. In the past, some of the condo-converts have been trying to limit sales. It seems like a lot of them have lately started to give the "hail mary" and dump a large set of inventory onto the market. This can't be good for resale. Carmel Pointe, Heights, Analucia, are just three of a couple of apartments that converted. By far, Heights isn't the worst, but it probably converted during the worst time (at the end of the peek).My advice if you are looking in the attached markets would be to wait. But if you are indeed looking, look to these converts to depress other nicer attached units elsewhere in CV.

 

San Diegan, Ok I stand corrected on the school district. Last time I asked, elementary was designated as Carmel Creek, but I guess that one is full. If I remember, some of the buildings had units below ground level.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

jpinpb,

Actually, relative to 2005, prices in this attached market have started to fallen considerably, more so than the detached markets. And there won't imho be any stimulus to thwart addition price falls in the attached markets. The extra variable about the CV attached market is the unusually large number of inventory, not just from people trying to sell, but from all the developers and condo-converts adding to an already bloated inventory. In the past, some of the condo-converts have been trying to limit sales. It seems like a lot of them have lately started to give the "hail mary" and dump a large set of inventory onto the market. This can't be good for resale. Carmel Pointe, Heights, Analucia, are just three of a couple of apartments that converted. By far, Heights isn't the worst, but it probably converted during the worst time (at the end of the peek).My advice if you are looking in the attached markets would be to wait. But if you are indeed looking, look to these converts to depress other nicer attached units elsewhere in CV.

 

San Diegan, Ok I stand corrected on the school district. Last time I asked, elementary was designated as Carmel Creek, but I guess that one is full. If I remember, some of the buildings had units below ground level.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

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