Career advice

[CogSciGuy]

Yes stansd, it is a bit much.

But most people in my position here who have management options are making substantially less, maybe $75-$95K including OT, so the promotion isn’t such a sharp pay cut, and sometimes it’s even a raise. Current pay just isn’t much of a factor in determining the new mangager’s salary. They get $65-$75 to start, period.

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I have lived quite comfortably for some time now on $2.5k per month

Really? If your rent is $1500/mo, you’ve only got $1K/month left. That’s $33 a day for food, gas, tires, doctor’s visits, surfobard wax, etc… You’re frugal, dude! Hopefully your girlfriend or wife is too or she’ll be complaining haha…

[blahblahblah]

I have lived quite comfortably for some time now on $2.5k per month

Really? If your rent is $1500/mo, you’ve only got $1K/month left. That’s $33 a day for food, gas, tires, doctor’s visits, surfobard wax, etc… You’re frugal, dude! Hopefully your girlfriend or wife is too or she’ll be complaining haha…

[blahblahblah]

I have lived quite comfortably for some time now on $2.5k per month

Really? If your rent is $1500/mo, you’ve only got $1K/month left. That’s $33 a day for food, gas, tires, doctor’s visits, surfobard wax, etc… You’re frugal, dude! Hopefully your girlfriend or wife is too or she’ll be complaining haha…

[blahblahblah]

I have lived quite comfortably for some time now on $2.5k per month

Really? If your rent is $1500/mo, you’ve only got $1K/month left. That’s $33 a day for food, gas, tires, doctor’s visits, surfobard wax, etc… You’re frugal, dude! Hopefully your girlfriend or wife is too or she’ll be complaining haha…

[blahblahblah]

I have lived quite comfortably for some time now on $2.5k per month

Really? If your rent is $1500/mo, you’ve only got $1K/month left. That’s $33 a day for food, gas, tires, doctor’s visits, surfobard wax, etc… You’re frugal, dude! Hopefully your girlfriend or wife is too or she’ll be complaining haha…

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Title promotions are overrated, especially 1st line managers imho". Also, manager titles, while valuable inside the company, are not asy easy to transfer over to another company if you need to move, especially first level managers. Throughout my career, I've bounced between management and pure technical contributions, and frankly the pay for me relatively was about the same.

My advice, if you like dealing with personel, doing reviews, help mentoring people, than perhaps move into management.

if you are a good salesman AND enjoy being a salesman, you should stick with that and even figure ways to hone your skills even further. Good salespeople are always needed, and I would say the old saying "same technique, different media" applies to sales skills. Contrary to popular belief, Salesmanship is a skill that frankly not everyone can do well. If you are one of the people that can do well, you're going to always be in demand.

I would personally NOT take a salary cut to manage people just for the sake of managing people, unless you love that more than Sales… OR unless by NOT taking this position, someone you don't like that will make your life hell will be your supervisor now and will get in your way….

If you're a sales hotshot, you could easily find employment and ask what you want the next time around. No offense, if you're a good salesman, there's absolutely no reason why you cannot be making double of what you're seeing now in the right company. But you need to be honest with yourself and figure out how you rank as a salesman. Again, I'm assuming your in sales, and aren't something like a "sales engineer". Small title difference, big responsibility differences. Consider not only what your current company is offering, but how your decisions would benefit you in the future. Because they only thing that is constant is you and what you can do. Companies come and go. What you bring to the table doesn't.

 

Regardless, cash is KING right now. I've always heard stories of companies prior to IPOing doing a house cleaning and laying off people just to make the numbers look good. If that happens, how pissed would you be if you traded in your salary for options that no longer you can do anything with.

However, life is a gamble, and if you feel like this company is the next qualcomm, well life is too short to wonder why not….This is coming from a person that left millions worth of stock options on the table by leaving qualcomm, and subsequently leaving millions on the table prior to an IPO of a small startup. I was always in the right place, just never at the right time 🙂

 

You know, the other thing you should consider is that if you really are that good, you really should be asking your company to giving to stock options. You know the old saying. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.

 

Sorry I'm not more useful.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[CogSciGuy]

“Sorry I’m not more useful.”

Actually, I do find your thoughts useful, flu. Along with the other postings, and my own caution and predisposition prior to originating this thread, I’m getting more convinced that management might be a bad move for me.

I can’t increase my salary in my current position though, regardless of how good I get. I’ve maxed out the pay scale. I can hang out and milk the OT at the end of the day while surfing the net and whining about my work dilemma, though.

What I’d prefer to do all day at work–manage or sell–isn’t much of a factor. I’m all about the money. For what it’s worth, I’d prefer the change of pace and new challenges that would come with management, but I work for money, not for new challenges and whatnot. I don’t hate my sales job and that’s all I really expect.

[CogSciGuy]

“Sorry I’m not more useful.”

Actually, I do find your thoughts useful, flu. Along with the other postings, and my own caution and predisposition prior to originating this thread, I’m getting more convinced that management might be a bad move for me.

I can’t increase my salary in my current position though, regardless of how good I get. I’ve maxed out the pay scale. I can hang out and milk the OT at the end of the day while surfing the net and whining about my work dilemma, though.

What I’d prefer to do all day at work–manage or sell–isn’t much of a factor. I’m all about the money. For what it’s worth, I’d prefer the change of pace and new challenges that would come with management, but I work for money, not for new challenges and whatnot. I don’t hate my sales job and that’s all I really expect.

[CogSciGuy]

“Sorry I’m not more useful.”

Actually, I do find your thoughts useful, flu. Along with the other postings, and my own caution and predisposition prior to originating this thread, I’m getting more convinced that management might be a bad move for me.

I can’t increase my salary in my current position though, regardless of how good I get. I’ve maxed out the pay scale. I can hang out and milk the OT at the end of the day while surfing the net and whining about my work dilemma, though.

What I’d prefer to do all day at work–manage or sell–isn’t much of a factor. I’m all about the money. For what it’s worth, I’d prefer the change of pace and new challenges that would come with management, but I work for money, not for new challenges and whatnot. I don’t hate my sales job and that’s all I really expect.

[CogSciGuy]

“Sorry I’m not more useful.”

Actually, I do find your thoughts useful, flu. Along with the other postings, and my own caution and predisposition prior to originating this thread, I’m getting more convinced that management might be a bad move for me.

I can’t increase my salary in my current position though, regardless of how good I get. I’ve maxed out the pay scale. I can hang out and milk the OT at the end of the day while surfing the net and whining about my work dilemma, though.

What I’d prefer to do all day at work–manage or sell–isn’t much of a factor. I’m all about the money. For what it’s worth, I’d prefer the change of pace and new challenges that would come with management, but I work for money, not for new challenges and whatnot. I don’t hate my sales job and that’s all I really expect.

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