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ParticipantTotally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.
Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.
So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.
I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantTotally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.
Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.
So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.
I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantTotally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.
Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.
So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.
I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantTotally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.
Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.
So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.
I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantTotally agree Allan. I still correct things, but more of a that’s ok, let’s take this to the next level. Sometimes it’s “c’mon get the glove dirty” not 100% positive but not screaming at the kid. Sounds like a great approach you have. We did one season of PW at LCC and it didn’t really take. My kid was just above minimum player about a 12-20 plays? Last year he just played on the 8th grade flag team which was just as meh for him, but it wasted a lot less time.
Now he’s all the sudden caught up and passed him mom height wise (he’s now a 5’11” 170 9th grader) and playing OT/DT. Still hasn’t caught dad yet, but in 9th grade I was 5’7″ 130 and shot to over 6’0″ by middle of 10th. (like a dummy I quit playing football, didn’t know I would blow past my scary bearded 9th grade teammates). I ended up perfect sized for a LB. I was three-year starter at point guard, and a SS/CF/P type kid with tons of natural skills, but no size. I just figured I was a puss as a 9th grade QB getting my clock cleaned so I quit playing. Dumb Dumb as I was showing signs of being a ferocious OLB with a nose for the ball. Sacks, lead team in tackles, but again I felt weak so I figured it wasn’t for me. The seemingly strong kids were mostly as it turned out just already full grown.
So I’ve told my kids keep after it, don’t worry you’ll fill out in time, especially mom being so tall. In baseball of course you go from an ok hitter to Whoa when you shoot up those 6-8 inches in a year. Fun stuff. By the way I never bothered playing college basketball either. All that wanted me were D-3 schools so I had a hissy fit and joined the Air Force (enlisted). Then spent most of my free time trying to get my degree, as I really should have gone to college.
I actually have the kids at a small school fo various reasons,(though we played Fallbrook tough last year) but…so that if they want to experience HS football they can even though baseball is number one. You can’t beat the HS football experience. It’s really hard at say LCC to do both because there so many good athletes, that unless you are a freak you are just a number. You end up having to commit to one or the other.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAs a total off-topic aside on the Rick Mirer/Duane Reed et. al., coaching Pop Warner, I find ex-pro athletes around the youth sports largely to be over-rated. Now I like it, and I would certainly tell my buds back home that “so-and-so” is my kid’s coach for instance, because it’s a wow factor….but I also know it doesn’t translate to instant success. Well, at least in the sport I spend a good deal of time coaching, going up against ex MLBers, or career minor leaguers is really no big deal. Largely the children are not all that much more gifted than us regular joes, and in general I don’t see that much in terms of their advanced knowledge that can be passed on to a bunch of 12 year old kids.
Now I’ll see parents practically whore themselves to hire certain batting coaches because of his past, but I have a whole lot of parents convinced that I can teach their 12 year old kid better than the ex-pro can. That’s because I can back it up of course but I get others who just automatically assume paying 3 times the rate for “so-and-so” will advance their child more. They have a ton of disposable income, what do I care…
With Pop Warner maybe it’s different but I don’t know. I have a friend I know who played college football who resisted letting his kid play PW. This year he gave in, signed up his kid and showed up at practice announcing, “hey guys I was a RB and special teams guy in college, and know LB pretty well if you need some help” to which he was told “it’s ok dad we got it.” He was a bit surprised to say the least. My point here is not all “dads” are smart either, there must be some happy medium between the more experienced and the dad’s like me who were very close in HS, but had one thing holding us back (too white, too slow whatever). In my case I was not much of a hitter but quite skilled otherwise, so I spent a good deal of time figuring out what I did wrong so that my kids don’t do the same.
One other strange thing about the ex-pros is the wild difference in perspective. Phil Nevin for instance got himself kicked out of a 9-10 LL All-Star game district final. He was Uber-intense that day (and I’ve been there)… Other dads like Trevor Hoffman seem content to lay low, encourage ALL kids to have fun and keep things pretty much in perspective. Two years ago we played RSF all-stars which had 4 ex-MLBers on the team, and they seemed fairly laid back, whereas my older son played for well known pro who is known for really riding umpires and hard to play against because he can’t set aside his competitive nature.
Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAs a total off-topic aside on the Rick Mirer/Duane Reed et. al., coaching Pop Warner, I find ex-pro athletes around the youth sports largely to be over-rated. Now I like it, and I would certainly tell my buds back home that “so-and-so” is my kid’s coach for instance, because it’s a wow factor….but I also know it doesn’t translate to instant success. Well, at least in the sport I spend a good deal of time coaching, going up against ex MLBers, or career minor leaguers is really no big deal. Largely the children are not all that much more gifted than us regular joes, and in general I don’t see that much in terms of their advanced knowledge that can be passed on to a bunch of 12 year old kids.
Now I’ll see parents practically whore themselves to hire certain batting coaches because of his past, but I have a whole lot of parents convinced that I can teach their 12 year old kid better than the ex-pro can. That’s because I can back it up of course but I get others who just automatically assume paying 3 times the rate for “so-and-so” will advance their child more. They have a ton of disposable income, what do I care…
With Pop Warner maybe it’s different but I don’t know. I have a friend I know who played college football who resisted letting his kid play PW. This year he gave in, signed up his kid and showed up at practice announcing, “hey guys I was a RB and special teams guy in college, and know LB pretty well if you need some help” to which he was told “it’s ok dad we got it.” He was a bit surprised to say the least. My point here is not all “dads” are smart either, there must be some happy medium between the more experienced and the dad’s like me who were very close in HS, but had one thing holding us back (too white, too slow whatever). In my case I was not much of a hitter but quite skilled otherwise, so I spent a good deal of time figuring out what I did wrong so that my kids don’t do the same.
One other strange thing about the ex-pros is the wild difference in perspective. Phil Nevin for instance got himself kicked out of a 9-10 LL All-Star game district final. He was Uber-intense that day (and I’ve been there)… Other dads like Trevor Hoffman seem content to lay low, encourage ALL kids to have fun and keep things pretty much in perspective. Two years ago we played RSF all-stars which had 4 ex-MLBers on the team, and they seemed fairly laid back, whereas my older son played for well known pro who is known for really riding umpires and hard to play against because he can’t set aside his competitive nature.
Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAs a total off-topic aside on the Rick Mirer/Duane Reed et. al., coaching Pop Warner, I find ex-pro athletes around the youth sports largely to be over-rated. Now I like it, and I would certainly tell my buds back home that “so-and-so” is my kid’s coach for instance, because it’s a wow factor….but I also know it doesn’t translate to instant success. Well, at least in the sport I spend a good deal of time coaching, going up against ex MLBers, or career minor leaguers is really no big deal. Largely the children are not all that much more gifted than us regular joes, and in general I don’t see that much in terms of their advanced knowledge that can be passed on to a bunch of 12 year old kids.
Now I’ll see parents practically whore themselves to hire certain batting coaches because of his past, but I have a whole lot of parents convinced that I can teach their 12 year old kid better than the ex-pro can. That’s because I can back it up of course but I get others who just automatically assume paying 3 times the rate for “so-and-so” will advance their child more. They have a ton of disposable income, what do I care…
With Pop Warner maybe it’s different but I don’t know. I have a friend I know who played college football who resisted letting his kid play PW. This year he gave in, signed up his kid and showed up at practice announcing, “hey guys I was a RB and special teams guy in college, and know LB pretty well if you need some help” to which he was told “it’s ok dad we got it.” He was a bit surprised to say the least. My point here is not all “dads” are smart either, there must be some happy medium between the more experienced and the dad’s like me who were very close in HS, but had one thing holding us back (too white, too slow whatever). In my case I was not much of a hitter but quite skilled otherwise, so I spent a good deal of time figuring out what I did wrong so that my kids don’t do the same.
One other strange thing about the ex-pros is the wild difference in perspective. Phil Nevin for instance got himself kicked out of a 9-10 LL All-Star game district final. He was Uber-intense that day (and I’ve been there)… Other dads like Trevor Hoffman seem content to lay low, encourage ALL kids to have fun and keep things pretty much in perspective. Two years ago we played RSF all-stars which had 4 ex-MLBers on the team, and they seemed fairly laid back, whereas my older son played for well known pro who is known for really riding umpires and hard to play against because he can’t set aside his competitive nature.
Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAs a total off-topic aside on the Rick Mirer/Duane Reed et. al., coaching Pop Warner, I find ex-pro athletes around the youth sports largely to be over-rated. Now I like it, and I would certainly tell my buds back home that “so-and-so” is my kid’s coach for instance, because it’s a wow factor….but I also know it doesn’t translate to instant success. Well, at least in the sport I spend a good deal of time coaching, going up against ex MLBers, or career minor leaguers is really no big deal. Largely the children are not all that much more gifted than us regular joes, and in general I don’t see that much in terms of their advanced knowledge that can be passed on to a bunch of 12 year old kids.
Now I’ll see parents practically whore themselves to hire certain batting coaches because of his past, but I have a whole lot of parents convinced that I can teach their 12 year old kid better than the ex-pro can. That’s because I can back it up of course but I get others who just automatically assume paying 3 times the rate for “so-and-so” will advance their child more. They have a ton of disposable income, what do I care…
With Pop Warner maybe it’s different but I don’t know. I have a friend I know who played college football who resisted letting his kid play PW. This year he gave in, signed up his kid and showed up at practice announcing, “hey guys I was a RB and special teams guy in college, and know LB pretty well if you need some help” to which he was told “it’s ok dad we got it.” He was a bit surprised to say the least. My point here is not all “dads” are smart either, there must be some happy medium between the more experienced and the dad’s like me who were very close in HS, but had one thing holding us back (too white, too slow whatever). In my case I was not much of a hitter but quite skilled otherwise, so I spent a good deal of time figuring out what I did wrong so that my kids don’t do the same.
One other strange thing about the ex-pros is the wild difference in perspective. Phil Nevin for instance got himself kicked out of a 9-10 LL All-Star game district final. He was Uber-intense that day (and I’ve been there)… Other dads like Trevor Hoffman seem content to lay low, encourage ALL kids to have fun and keep things pretty much in perspective. Two years ago we played RSF all-stars which had 4 ex-MLBers on the team, and they seemed fairly laid back, whereas my older son played for well known pro who is known for really riding umpires and hard to play against because he can’t set aside his competitive nature.
Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.
CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAs a total off-topic aside on the Rick Mirer/Duane Reed et. al., coaching Pop Warner, I find ex-pro athletes around the youth sports largely to be over-rated. Now I like it, and I would certainly tell my buds back home that “so-and-so” is my kid’s coach for instance, because it’s a wow factor….but I also know it doesn’t translate to instant success. Well, at least in the sport I spend a good deal of time coaching, going up against ex MLBers, or career minor leaguers is really no big deal. Largely the children are not all that much more gifted than us regular joes, and in general I don’t see that much in terms of their advanced knowledge that can be passed on to a bunch of 12 year old kids.
Now I’ll see parents practically whore themselves to hire certain batting coaches because of his past, but I have a whole lot of parents convinced that I can teach their 12 year old kid better than the ex-pro can. That’s because I can back it up of course but I get others who just automatically assume paying 3 times the rate for “so-and-so” will advance their child more. They have a ton of disposable income, what do I care…
With Pop Warner maybe it’s different but I don’t know. I have a friend I know who played college football who resisted letting his kid play PW. This year he gave in, signed up his kid and showed up at practice announcing, “hey guys I was a RB and special teams guy in college, and know LB pretty well if you need some help” to which he was told “it’s ok dad we got it.” He was a bit surprised to say the least. My point here is not all “dads” are smart either, there must be some happy medium between the more experienced and the dad’s like me who were very close in HS, but had one thing holding us back (too white, too slow whatever). In my case I was not much of a hitter but quite skilled otherwise, so I spent a good deal of time figuring out what I did wrong so that my kids don’t do the same.
One other strange thing about the ex-pros is the wild difference in perspective. Phil Nevin for instance got himself kicked out of a 9-10 LL All-Star game district final. He was Uber-intense that day (and I’ve been there)… Other dads like Trevor Hoffman seem content to lay low, encourage ALL kids to have fun and keep things pretty much in perspective. Two years ago we played RSF all-stars which had 4 ex-MLBers on the team, and they seemed fairly laid back, whereas my older son played for well known pro who is known for really riding umpires and hard to play against because he can’t set aside his competitive nature.
Some look at this as making it as fun as possible for as many kids as possible and others can’t turn off that competitive spigot… I suggest parents find a coach that fits which direction they want to go.
October 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM in reply to: OT: Conservatives Revel In America’s Olympic Defeat #463461CardiffBaseball
ParticipantHonestly I could care less where they are held the Olympics are just not that compelling to me. I do get to watch some events like swimming or gymnastics once every four years, and those are good TV. I like the sprint events in track and some good basketball, but otherwise I can watch that stuff originating from Rio just as easily.
Nothing captures my attention as far as TV sports as a long Saturday watching great college football games. As long as those don’t get exported or outsourced I’m cool. So while I am not going to stomp on the Obama/Oprah contingent, it was a FAIL, and I don’t care. I won’t hold it against them.
Also in general I think it’s fair to say the Brazilians wanted it more, and given that they’ve never hosted one in SA, good for them.
October 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM in reply to: OT: Conservatives Revel In America’s Olympic Defeat #463653CardiffBaseball
ParticipantHonestly I could care less where they are held the Olympics are just not that compelling to me. I do get to watch some events like swimming or gymnastics once every four years, and those are good TV. I like the sprint events in track and some good basketball, but otherwise I can watch that stuff originating from Rio just as easily.
Nothing captures my attention as far as TV sports as a long Saturday watching great college football games. As long as those don’t get exported or outsourced I’m cool. So while I am not going to stomp on the Obama/Oprah contingent, it was a FAIL, and I don’t care. I won’t hold it against them.
Also in general I think it’s fair to say the Brazilians wanted it more, and given that they’ve never hosted one in SA, good for them.
October 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM in reply to: OT: Conservatives Revel In America’s Olympic Defeat #463998CardiffBaseball
ParticipantHonestly I could care less where they are held the Olympics are just not that compelling to me. I do get to watch some events like swimming or gymnastics once every four years, and those are good TV. I like the sprint events in track and some good basketball, but otherwise I can watch that stuff originating from Rio just as easily.
Nothing captures my attention as far as TV sports as a long Saturday watching great college football games. As long as those don’t get exported or outsourced I’m cool. So while I am not going to stomp on the Obama/Oprah contingent, it was a FAIL, and I don’t care. I won’t hold it against them.
Also in general I think it’s fair to say the Brazilians wanted it more, and given that they’ve never hosted one in SA, good for them.
October 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM in reply to: OT: Conservatives Revel In America’s Olympic Defeat #464070CardiffBaseball
ParticipantHonestly I could care less where they are held the Olympics are just not that compelling to me. I do get to watch some events like swimming or gymnastics once every four years, and those are good TV. I like the sprint events in track and some good basketball, but otherwise I can watch that stuff originating from Rio just as easily.
Nothing captures my attention as far as TV sports as a long Saturday watching great college football games. As long as those don’t get exported or outsourced I’m cool. So while I am not going to stomp on the Obama/Oprah contingent, it was a FAIL, and I don’t care. I won’t hold it against them.
Also in general I think it’s fair to say the Brazilians wanted it more, and given that they’ve never hosted one in SA, good for them.
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