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[quote=Operation]It’s all about meat.

I’m down 15lbs since end of March. I cut out meat & dairy & basically went Vegan for 30 days. I still have fish & eggs on occasion and am now pretty much a Vegetarian.

I just started hitting the free weights & cardio in the gym the last 2 weeks.

I feel & look lighter, leaner and have more energy. One thing I think many posters have ignored is the rise in meat consumption (fast or not) is directly tied to the rise in obesity:

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2009/wang_meat_consumption_obesity

The rise in meat consumption, particularly pork & diary in various parts of Asia has more to do with rising incomes than the prevalence of Western fast food.

“Beef, it’s what’s for dinner” and lunch, and breakfast…

Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

What if it’s all been a big-fat lie?

Again, if someone wants to eat Vegan more power to them, I admire their courage to have to eat like that day in and day out. But to suggest it would help or benefit everyone is crap. Good Calories/Bad Calories by Taubes is also an excellent source if you want to see the Govt./Food industry collaboration over the last 50 years.

I personally have way more energy and feel significantly lighter when I’ve avoided carbs for a few days. I also sleep better.

The difference between you and me is that I don’t talk about my way being best for everyone.

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

There is such a thing on the weight lifting sites as looking good naked as a goal, however that is not the same as what a physician might consider overweight.

That is if you poll medical folks outside of folks with drastic stomach fat, someone with a slight beer belly is not going to get your Doctor too excited. Or perhaps the lady with cottage cheese or saddlebags could be considered the same. So while a some men might consider her fat, her Dr. is probably telling her she’s fine. Have a walk everyday and don’t sweat it. There is no true need for 6-pack abs unless you are an athlete, (triathlete), or want to “swing” with other hard bodies.

I still fall under obese because I’ve put my kid’s activities ahead of mine when in reality a 45 minute walk a day would help a ton (especially when in a ketogenic state). Ironically I’d be able to do even more stuff with them.

[CardiffBaseball]

There is such a thing on the weight lifting sites as looking good naked as a goal, however that is not the same as what a physician might consider overweight.

That is if you poll medical folks outside of folks with drastic stomach fat, someone with a slight beer belly is not going to get your Doctor too excited. Or perhaps the lady with cottage cheese or saddlebags could be considered the same. So while a some men might consider her fat, her Dr. is probably telling her she’s fine. Have a walk everyday and don’t sweat it. There is no true need for 6-pack abs unless you are an athlete, (triathlete), or want to “swing” with other hard bodies.

I still fall under obese because I’ve put my kid’s activities ahead of mine when in reality a 45 minute walk a day would help a ton (especially when in a ketogenic state). Ironically I’d be able to do even more stuff with them.

[CardiffBaseball]

There is such a thing on the weight lifting sites as looking good naked as a goal, however that is not the same as what a physician might consider overweight.

That is if you poll medical folks outside of folks with drastic stomach fat, someone with a slight beer belly is not going to get your Doctor too excited. Or perhaps the lady with cottage cheese or saddlebags could be considered the same. So while a some men might consider her fat, her Dr. is probably telling her she’s fine. Have a walk everyday and don’t sweat it. There is no true need for 6-pack abs unless you are an athlete, (triathlete), or want to “swing” with other hard bodies.

I still fall under obese because I’ve put my kid’s activities ahead of mine when in reality a 45 minute walk a day would help a ton (especially when in a ketogenic state). Ironically I’d be able to do even more stuff with them.

[CardiffBaseball]

There is such a thing on the weight lifting sites as looking good naked as a goal, however that is not the same as what a physician might consider overweight.

That is if you poll medical folks outside of folks with drastic stomach fat, someone with a slight beer belly is not going to get your Doctor too excited. Or perhaps the lady with cottage cheese or saddlebags could be considered the same. So while a some men might consider her fat, her Dr. is probably telling her she’s fine. Have a walk everyday and don’t sweat it. There is no true need for 6-pack abs unless you are an athlete, (triathlete), or want to “swing” with other hard bodies.

I still fall under obese because I’ve put my kid’s activities ahead of mine when in reality a 45 minute walk a day would help a ton (especially when in a ketogenic state). Ironically I’d be able to do even more stuff with them.

[CardiffBaseball]

There is such a thing on the weight lifting sites as looking good naked as a goal, however that is not the same as what a physician might consider overweight.

That is if you poll medical folks outside of folks with drastic stomach fat, someone with a slight beer belly is not going to get your Doctor too excited. Or perhaps the lady with cottage cheese or saddlebags could be considered the same. So while a some men might consider her fat, her Dr. is probably telling her she’s fine. Have a walk everyday and don’t sweat it. There is no true need for 6-pack abs unless you are an athlete, (triathlete), or want to “swing” with other hard bodies.

I still fall under obese because I’ve put my kid’s activities ahead of mine when in reality a 45 minute walk a day would help a ton (especially when in a ketogenic state). Ironically I’d be able to do even more stuff with them.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Jim Jones]You can get a used copy for $4 on Amazon with the test and the detailed explanation for various areas to include work, relationships etc.

I just took the online test, I am apparently an idealist. All the various reports come to $39, I might purchase. Within the idealist setting the reports are supposed to tell me whether I am a Teacher, Counselor, Champion or Healer.

Given my outstanding record as Little League Manager and being seen as one of the more knowledgeable, open and sharing swing mechanics gurus in north county, I might guess teacher. Hard to say unless I pay up.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Jim Jones]You can get a used copy for $4 on Amazon with the test and the detailed explanation for various areas to include work, relationships etc.

I just took the online test, I am apparently an idealist. All the various reports come to $39, I might purchase. Within the idealist setting the reports are supposed to tell me whether I am a Teacher, Counselor, Champion or Healer.

Given my outstanding record as Little League Manager and being seen as one of the more knowledgeable, open and sharing swing mechanics gurus in north county, I might guess teacher. Hard to say unless I pay up.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Jim Jones]You can get a used copy for $4 on Amazon with the test and the detailed explanation for various areas to include work, relationships etc.

I just took the online test, I am apparently an idealist. All the various reports come to $39, I might purchase. Within the idealist setting the reports are supposed to tell me whether I am a Teacher, Counselor, Champion or Healer.

Given my outstanding record as Little League Manager and being seen as one of the more knowledgeable, open and sharing swing mechanics gurus in north county, I might guess teacher. Hard to say unless I pay up.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Jim Jones]You can get a used copy for $4 on Amazon with the test and the detailed explanation for various areas to include work, relationships etc.

I just took the online test, I am apparently an idealist. All the various reports come to $39, I might purchase. Within the idealist setting the reports are supposed to tell me whether I am a Teacher, Counselor, Champion or Healer.

Given my outstanding record as Little League Manager and being seen as one of the more knowledgeable, open and sharing swing mechanics gurus in north county, I might guess teacher. Hard to say unless I pay up.

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