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[quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.

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[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
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They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

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[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
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They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

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[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
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They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

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[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

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[quote=Dougie944]
So again, I ask……why is the Mexican govt not pulling for an expansive worker immigration program? Why are they making their people run across the border like rats, risking their lives to get across?
[/quote]

They are doing exactly that. Perhaps you missed this story from earlier this year.

Of course legalized immigrants would be more likely to have to pay taxes. It is easy for employers to cut costs by paying illegal immigrants under the table and in cash. So if they were all legalized, remittances back home might actually decrease due to the tax burden if employers were forced to stop this practice.

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[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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[quote=TenaciousSD]
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?[/quote]

Let’s see, you’re a barely literate farm worker from Guerrero or Michoacán, Spanish is your second language (many speak indigenous languages first), and you speak no English at all. You’ve never completed high school and are qualified only for manual labor. NAFTA has wiped out a lot of the agriculture work in Mexico, so what few jobs are available pay little more than a subsistence wage. How responsive do you think US immigration will be in processing your application for a green card? Your cousin has already made it to Nevada and has a good job doing roofing. He has a pickup truck and shares a nice apartment with 3 other guys. He tells you that there is a local bar in the town he’s working in that plays ranchera and banda music and he has even met a nice girl there. He’s sent some money to help you get across. Now tell me what are you going to do?

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What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

[blahblahblah]

What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.

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