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June 25, 2009 at 3:46 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420827June 25, 2009 at 3:46 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420988
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ParticipantI guess to me it comes down to this:
1) We are probably screwing up the planet through overpopulation, overconsumption, and pollution. This will impact the quality of life on earth for a lot of people.
2) Awareness of #1 is very high among the middle and upper classes (those with money). Many people feel guilty and fearful about it.
3) “Carbon credits” “Carbon taxes”, “cap&trade”, etc… are ways to capitalize on #2 and relieve people’s fear and guilt while doing nothing about #1.
The “carbon tax” has the added bonus of appealing to lazy people that don’t actually want to change their lifestyle. They will simply feel better about themselves (and their government) after paying their carbon taxes, knowing that someone is “doing something” about the problem. Meanwhile they’ll keep zipping up and down the freeway 50 miles a day commuting from their suburban home to their job.
Meanwhile the money will be used for all of the usual things that governments do with money: graft, war, murder, etc…
And they’ll be able to issue lots of great statistics, like “weather in the central US is 3% cooler this year! The carbon tax is doing its job!” No one will ever be able to prove one way or another whether anything is actually changing or not. It it gets cooler they’ll claim victory, if it gets hotter they’ll claim victory. Just like “global warming” has morphed into “global climate change.”
June 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420148ParticipantI would be all for a new “carbon tax” on fuel IF the money went into a fund that could only be used to build things like: electric railways, nuclear power plants, wind/solar energy plants, energy-efficient public transportation systems, etc…
However, that is not what’s going to happen. They’re going to take that $$$ and throw it in the general fund with your Social Security and Medicare money and spend it dropping bombs on third world people and bailing out their criminal buddies on Wall Street. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
June 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420380ParticipantI would be all for a new “carbon tax” on fuel IF the money went into a fund that could only be used to build things like: electric railways, nuclear power plants, wind/solar energy plants, energy-efficient public transportation systems, etc…
However, that is not what’s going to happen. They’re going to take that $$$ and throw it in the general fund with your Social Security and Medicare money and spend it dropping bombs on third world people and bailing out their criminal buddies on Wall Street. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
June 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420651ParticipantI would be all for a new “carbon tax” on fuel IF the money went into a fund that could only be used to build things like: electric railways, nuclear power plants, wind/solar energy plants, energy-efficient public transportation systems, etc…
However, that is not what’s going to happen. They’re going to take that $$$ and throw it in the general fund with your Social Security and Medicare money and spend it dropping bombs on third world people and bailing out their criminal buddies on Wall Street. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
June 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420717ParticipantI would be all for a new “carbon tax” on fuel IF the money went into a fund that could only be used to build things like: electric railways, nuclear power plants, wind/solar energy plants, energy-efficient public transportation systems, etc…
However, that is not what’s going to happen. They’re going to take that $$$ and throw it in the general fund with your Social Security and Medicare money and spend it dropping bombs on third world people and bailing out their criminal buddies on Wall Street. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
June 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420878ParticipantI would be all for a new “carbon tax” on fuel IF the money went into a fund that could only be used to build things like: electric railways, nuclear power plants, wind/solar energy plants, energy-efficient public transportation systems, etc…
However, that is not what’s going to happen. They’re going to take that $$$ and throw it in the general fund with your Social Security and Medicare money and spend it dropping bombs on third world people and bailing out their criminal buddies on Wall Street. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
June 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #419910ParticipantAl Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.
Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.
Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…
June 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420141ParticipantAl Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.
Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.
Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…
June 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420411ParticipantAl Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.
Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.
Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…
June 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420478ParticipantAl Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.
Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.
Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…
June 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM in reply to: OT: Cap and Tax. Maybe One of the Largest Tax Increases in a Long While? #420639ParticipantAl Gore is just the spokesperson for the carbon tax. If he didn’t peddle it they would easily find someone else. The source of this particularly evil idea is much higher up. It is quite literally a “tax on breathing” and the people George Carlin famously referred to as “the owners” have been itching to get it implemented for some time now.
Whether or not global warming is happening or is caused by humans burning too many fossil fuels, a tax on CO2 emissions isn’t going to do a damn thing to stop it. The price of gas is mostly taxes and we burn more of the stuff than ever. Cigarette smoking is down not because of the incredibly high cigarette taxes, but because people don’t feel like giving themselves cancer as much as they used to. Taxes don’t do a lot to reduce consumption — and with this one there’s not much to reduce.
Get ready, it’s coming. You can always stop breathing if you don’t want to pay it! I’m starting to suspect that’s what “the owners” really want anyway…
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Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
You don’t have a pension because you live in the United States. Autoworkers (and workers of all sorts) have excellent pensions, healthcare, and retirement benefits in other countries. This has not stopped BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc… from making high-quality cars and being very successful in the marketplace.
The workers there got and keep their pensions by organizing and not being afraid to shut the country down. In France unions routinely shut down trash service, public transport, and factories over threats to reduce their 5-weeks of vacation or retirement benefits. But of course those are socialist countries and we can never have that sort of thing here in the US.
So I guess to make a long story short, most of us Americans will probably never have a pension. Unless you’re a firefighter (they have a union to protect them). But I suspect that we’ll be “privatizing” fire protection at some point so they will probably lose their pensions as well.
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Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
You don’t have a pension because you live in the United States. Autoworkers (and workers of all sorts) have excellent pensions, healthcare, and retirement benefits in other countries. This has not stopped BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc… from making high-quality cars and being very successful in the marketplace.
The workers there got and keep their pensions by organizing and not being afraid to shut the country down. In France unions routinely shut down trash service, public transport, and factories over threats to reduce their 5-weeks of vacation or retirement benefits. But of course those are socialist countries and we can never have that sort of thing here in the US.
So I guess to make a long story short, most of us Americans will probably never have a pension. Unless you’re a firefighter (they have a union to protect them). But I suspect that we’ll be “privatizing” fire protection at some point so they will probably lose their pensions as well.
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Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
You don’t have a pension because you live in the United States. Autoworkers (and workers of all sorts) have excellent pensions, healthcare, and retirement benefits in other countries. This has not stopped BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc… from making high-quality cars and being very successful in the marketplace.
The workers there got and keep their pensions by organizing and not being afraid to shut the country down. In France unions routinely shut down trash service, public transport, and factories over threats to reduce their 5-weeks of vacation or retirement benefits. But of course those are socialist countries and we can never have that sort of thing here in the US.
So I guess to make a long story short, most of us Americans will probably never have a pension. Unless you’re a firefighter (they have a union to protect them). But I suspect that we’ll be “privatizing” fire protection at some point so they will probably lose their pensions as well.
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