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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]The next one will be bigger. It’s about time for San Diego to think big/world class.[/quote]The next one is bigger. Here’s the next one: http://miramesatowncouncil.org/doc/Plangrp/Stone%20Creek/Stone%20Creek%20Summary%202015.pdf It should start in 2-3 years if it gets approved soon.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]This will be a catalytic converter for things to come in San Diego. If they really want organic growth they should let mom and pop builders densify the city one lot at a time.[/quote]I think this is where I’d draw the line. I’m all for converting strip malls into dense town centers and replacing 1-2 stories office buildings with high rises in designated job centers. But I don’t know if I want every house to have to ability to be rezoned. Last thing I want is mini dorms to pop up in areas around universities.
ParticipantI’m glad it passed with ease. Within city of San Diego, Civita is under construction, One Paseo will start by end of the year, and Stone Creek hopefully getting approved/start construction in 2-3, I think San Diego is definitely moving in the right direction. Hopefully they’ll update the trolley plan to add a stop at One Paseo as well, now that we know it’ll be built with high density and a lot of office space.
ParticipantWasn’t there a vote today? Anyone know what’s the result?
Participant[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=The-Shoveler]Maybe I am wrong,
But it seems like the only people who want this project don’t actually live in CV LOL.
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I guess there is your answer.Put it in other people’s back yard.
PIIOPBY LOL[/quote]
Though I don’t live in CV, in my area, there are two new developments that are much denser and larger than One Paseo and I fully support them. So, it’s not about PIIOPBY. I would have loved to have the neighborhood strip mall be wiped out and put in something like One Paseo as well.[/quote]Well, that’s easy to explain…See in your hood, it’s run down and blighted. So new high density expensive developments would bring things up from being those ghetto neighborhoods. So it’s like East Palo Alto suddenly becoming more like Palo Alto.
In Carmel Valley, we like and expect exclusivity. In fact, if it was up to us, we would prefer instead of being called Carmel Valley, just drop “Carmel” and add a “The” and use the exclusive name “The Valley” (not just any Valley, but The Valley).
Better yet, we would like an entire primetime show dedicated to our zip code: “92130”. Just because in “92130”, everything is awesome.
With that, we don’t want a lot more people invading our exclusivity, especially a bunch of renters that can tap into our everything awesome 92130 school district and enjoy all the benefit that us 92130 homeowners enjoy after sacrificing arms/legs/foots/organs to be able to afford to live in our everything awesome zip code with our everything awesome schools.
We like our $400+ per sqft unaffordable home prices and our limited amount of rental communities so that we can maintain our total everything awesome exclusivity. Because, like I said, in “The Valley”, everything is awesome.
🙂 (…bad Lego Movie satire attempt)[/quote]flu, I think you got me mixed up with someone else. I live in a traffic nightmare area. Can’t be blighted and have crazy traffic at the same time. We’re way too dense to start with. Our houses also have way too many walls. So high density condo fits right in. Also, all those condos will definitely drive away all the lizards in my area. Maybe they’ll migrate to your area. So, sorry in advance if your area get infested by ghetto lizards.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Given the high number of Asians in Carmel Valley, I am waiting for an 85C Bakery to open. People would then understand the meaning of traffic, haha..
Maybe Susan Lew will open a Dim Sum restaurant too.[/quote]There are not a lot of Asian people in Carmel Valley. Maybe if you compare it to Carlsbad, but there are other areas in San Diego that have much more Asian people. Asians are only 14% of Carmel Valley. That’s only ~4000 people. There are ~28k Asian in Mira Mesa.
BTW there’s already an 85C Bakery in Clairemont. If they open another one, it would more likely be in Mira Mesa than Carmel Valley.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]AN
I was just kidding about the PIIOPBY thing, but it does seem strange (or telling) that no one has come out and said, “I live in CV and I fully support this”.But really I don’t have a problem with nimbyism in SD.[/quote]Like I said since the beginning, I don’t have a dog in this fight, so whatever they decide, it’s fine by me. I was just talking generally about San Diego and its suburbs. I’m glad the planning group for my area embrace density and approve projects that would put One Paseo to shame in term of density. But if people in CV don’t want it, it shouldn’t be shove down their throat. They should get to decide how their community evolve. Which is why I would have like to see some kind of a vote by the residence.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]Maybe I am wrong,
But it seems like the only people who want this project don’t actually live in CV LOL.
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I guess there is your answer.Put it in other people’s back yard.
PIIOPBY LOL[/quote]
Though I don’t live in CV, in my area, there are two new developments that are much denser and larger than One Paseo and I fully support them. So, it’s not about PIIOPBY. I would have loved to have the neighborhood strip mall be wiped out and put in something like One Paseo as well.Participantcarli, here’s a good read about the opposition. http://timesofsandiego.com/opinion/2015/01/26/one-paseo-deserves-no-vote-february/
One Paseo currently zoned for 510,000 square feet of office and retail space and no residential. Kilroy is applying for 1,454,069-square-foot of office and retail and 608 residential units. So, if you disagree with this opponent, what would you suggest? What would be the appropriate size and density?
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=The-Shoveler]That’s kind of the point, it grows organically as a location matures and grows, it’s not force fed.
When the strip mall owner is suddenly offered 10-20 million for his land, the Biz owners will mostly like get something too, it just kind of works itself out.[/quote]But areas like built out suburbs won’t grow, unless it already has an urban core w/in it. If it doesn’t, it will most likely just stand still as a suburb. Have you seen very many suburb with no urban core reinvent/grow itself and add an urban core?
Even if the strip mall owner might get offered 10-20 millions for his land, the surrounding residence won’t let that strip mall be converted to an urban core with mix use. That’s my point, I just don’t see that happen. A strip mall can be renovated, but it will stay a strip mall.
Also, you don’t want just any strip mall to be converted to mix used urban core. You want your urban core to be near freeway/public transit. Those are the kind of things that need proper planning.[/quote]You’d be surprised. My MIL’s neighborhood in LA looks vastly different today than it did just 10-15 years ago. Her house is beginning to look like the old man’s house in the movie “UP,” when the big city was being built all around the quaint little house. (the second picture down)
They’ve torn down some old favorites (houses and businesses) and built up 4-5 story buildings in their places. It’s happening all over the place in the older parts of LA, including the suburbs.[/quote]You’re right, it does happen, but I think on average, it very hard to rezone. Every city and suburb have a different feel and desire. So, just because some suburb are willing to rezone and become more dense doesn’t mean the vast majority would. That essentially is my point, it’s more likely to see houses/strip malls/business buildings remodeled and rebuilt within the same footprint. I think it’s more rare to see a strip mall converted to a high dense urban center where you now have mixed use zoning where it wasn’t there before. If you take a look at all the suburbs/strip malls/etc in America and see how many actually get upzoned and change drastically. I don’t have data, but my gut feeling is a very small % actually go through the kind of transformation that you’re talking about and what got displayed in the movie “Up”.
You can easily look at some of the older part of San Diego as a prime example. You have places in San Diego that were built at the turn of the last century. Yet, the general zoning of them haven’t changed all that much over the last 50 years. Better yet, just look at One Paseo and Carmel Valley as a prime example. All the opponents seems to oppose it because it’s a mix use project. If it’s purely a strip mall, there won’t be as much objection. The opponents objects to the change in zoning because it’ll be detrimental to their quality of life. Once this is built as a strip mall, do you seriously think they will tear it down w/in our life time and rebuild it as a mixed used town center? My gut feeling say there’s a 0% chance of that happen. Once this is built, it’ll stay as what it is w/in our life time. It might get remodeled over the years, but the zoning won’t change.February 20, 2015 at 12:38 AM in reply to: OT: Discuss- The Porsche GT4 is a better car than a 911 and very close, if not better than a 911s #783191ParticipantI would think so… Mid engine > rear engine. Would be crazy if they have a Cayman Turbo S (911 Turbo S engine inside a GT4 body). That would be sick.
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=carli]
Reality now is that zero public transit is even being proposed for the area until 2035 and even that is unplanned/unsure/unbudgeted. [/quote]Well. Maybe technically it is true that nothing is proposed right now, but I doubt it happens anywhere near that late.
http://www.sdmts.com/MTS/documents/rtm-oct-2014.pdf
In the above link, scroll down to Q4 and you’ll see that MTS Route 308 passed about 2 miles from One Paseo.
Once One Paseo is complete, it would be simple to re-route 308 to go to the corner of Del Mar Heights Road and El Camino Real…and it could be done for virtually zero cost.
Take that bus 5 miles to the Coaster and you’re set up to go anywhere in the county.[/quote]
According to the One Paseo website, they’re proving shuttle to residence to the Sorrento coaster station. So you don’t even need to wait for MTS to reroute 308.Participant[quote=spdrun]Most of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.[/quote]Carlsbad, Oceanside, Encinitas, Vista, San Marcos are all cities, not suburbs. Carmel Valley, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mira Mesa, Clairemont, etc. are suburbs. They all don’t have true town centers.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
San Jose downtown is exactly what I’m talking about. Its a downtown. You can use San Diego as an example too. But Carmel valley is a suburb, not a city. It doesn’t have an area zoned for high density mixed used to start with.
I’m not sure if that definition holds. A lot of East Coast and Midwestern suburbs do have downtowns with mixed use, and have had for 100 years![/quote]I know they do, but not a lot of the West Coast suburbs especially San Diego. A lot of the suburbs in San Diego are also huge relative to some of the cities in the bay area. Yet, none of these suburb have a downtown or village center of their own, where you get denser mixed use properties.
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