[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: You haven’t broken any rules, you’re simply expressing your opinion. I don’t agree with parts of it, and I do agree with other parts.

It’s a simplistic view of both history and foreign policy. To posit that America is just a rapacious, slavering war machine is facile and incorrect and it doesn’t square with history.

However, there are elements that are correct and we need to substantially review and revise how we behave in the world, on that score you’re correct.

I find the notion that all conservatives are bible thumping Jesus lovers with no ability to think for themselves or formulate coherent sentences as both puerile and condescending. Several of the posters on this board think similarly and the irony is that notion is more fitting to their way of thinking and expression.

The idea that the Middle East in toto has been nothing other than a victim of the West and history is moral infantilism and used conveniently by the Left as a means of forgiveness for all the acts of terrorism and horror that the various groups in the region have perpetrated on us and their coreligionists.

Visibly absent from your timeline are the so-called “Arab-Israeli Wars” of 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. It shows the 1967 war as an Israeli attack, when in fact it was a pre-emptive strike against the Arab armies massing against them.

If you’re going to present facts, present them ALL.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: Couldn’t agree more. We now argue over left versus right, Repub or Dem and, in so doing, miss the big picture.

Which is probably exactly the way the powers that be want it.

There is something truly enjoyable about a good, feisty dialogue and something truly hateful about the way discourse (or lack of it) is now conducted.

We’re all Americans, and the safety, security and prosperity of this country includes and involves all of us. Yet here we sit, throwing mud at each other and arguing over something that, in truth, we can do little to control, largely because we’ve so completely submitted to the arbitrary whims of the idiots we elected. And, yeah, that includes Obama.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: Couldn’t agree more. We now argue over left versus right, Repub or Dem and, in so doing, miss the big picture.

Which is probably exactly the way the powers that be want it.

There is something truly enjoyable about a good, feisty dialogue and something truly hateful about the way discourse (or lack of it) is now conducted.

We’re all Americans, and the safety, security and prosperity of this country includes and involves all of us. Yet here we sit, throwing mud at each other and arguing over something that, in truth, we can do little to control, largely because we’ve so completely submitted to the arbitrary whims of the idiots we elected. And, yeah, that includes Obama.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: Couldn’t agree more. We now argue over left versus right, Repub or Dem and, in so doing, miss the big picture.

Which is probably exactly the way the powers that be want it.

There is something truly enjoyable about a good, feisty dialogue and something truly hateful about the way discourse (or lack of it) is now conducted.

We’re all Americans, and the safety, security and prosperity of this country includes and involves all of us. Yet here we sit, throwing mud at each other and arguing over something that, in truth, we can do little to control, largely because we’ve so completely submitted to the arbitrary whims of the idiots we elected. And, yeah, that includes Obama.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: Couldn’t agree more. We now argue over left versus right, Repub or Dem and, in so doing, miss the big picture.

Which is probably exactly the way the powers that be want it.

There is something truly enjoyable about a good, feisty dialogue and something truly hateful about the way discourse (or lack of it) is now conducted.

We’re all Americans, and the safety, security and prosperity of this country includes and involves all of us. Yet here we sit, throwing mud at each other and arguing over something that, in truth, we can do little to control, largely because we’ve so completely submitted to the arbitrary whims of the idiots we elected. And, yeah, that includes Obama.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: Couldn’t agree more. We now argue over left versus right, Repub or Dem and, in so doing, miss the big picture.

Which is probably exactly the way the powers that be want it.

There is something truly enjoyable about a good, feisty dialogue and something truly hateful about the way discourse (or lack of it) is now conducted.

We’re all Americans, and the safety, security and prosperity of this country includes and involves all of us. Yet here we sit, throwing mud at each other and arguing over something that, in truth, we can do little to control, largely because we’ve so completely submitted to the arbitrary whims of the idiots we elected. And, yeah, that includes Obama.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Partypup: As I’ve mentioned before, Breezie is largely a polemicist. He doesn’t like having to deal with actual facts, and will generally back water when forced to actually debate the facts.

You’re seeing the various responses that someone who doesn’t know how to conduct an argument falls back on, from ad hominem attacks (“right wing nutjob”, which you clearly aren’t in terms of party or leaning), to the classic strawman to outright obfuscation (10 Reasons Why We Should Attack Canada).

I have tried on numerous occasions to get Ole Windy to face off in a set piece battle, but he has averred (or ignored me entirely).

It’s interesting to note that he brands anyone who disagrees with him as a kook, which is right out of Stalinism 101: Don’t legitimize the statement through dialogue/discourse/argument, rather, discredit or scapegoat your opponent instead.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Partypup: As I’ve mentioned before, Breezie is largely a polemicist. He doesn’t like having to deal with actual facts, and will generally back water when forced to actually debate the facts.

You’re seeing the various responses that someone who doesn’t know how to conduct an argument falls back on, from ad hominem attacks (“right wing nutjob”, which you clearly aren’t in terms of party or leaning), to the classic strawman to outright obfuscation (10 Reasons Why We Should Attack Canada).

I have tried on numerous occasions to get Ole Windy to face off in a set piece battle, but he has averred (or ignored me entirely).

It’s interesting to note that he brands anyone who disagrees with him as a kook, which is right out of Stalinism 101: Don’t legitimize the statement through dialogue/discourse/argument, rather, discredit or scapegoat your opponent instead.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Partypup: As I’ve mentioned before, Breezie is largely a polemicist. He doesn’t like having to deal with actual facts, and will generally back water when forced to actually debate the facts.

You’re seeing the various responses that someone who doesn’t know how to conduct an argument falls back on, from ad hominem attacks (“right wing nutjob”, which you clearly aren’t in terms of party or leaning), to the classic strawman to outright obfuscation (10 Reasons Why We Should Attack Canada).

I have tried on numerous occasions to get Ole Windy to face off in a set piece battle, but he has averred (or ignored me entirely).

It’s interesting to note that he brands anyone who disagrees with him as a kook, which is right out of Stalinism 101: Don’t legitimize the statement through dialogue/discourse/argument, rather, discredit or scapegoat your opponent instead.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Partypup: As I’ve mentioned before, Breezie is largely a polemicist. He doesn’t like having to deal with actual facts, and will generally back water when forced to actually debate the facts.

You’re seeing the various responses that someone who doesn’t know how to conduct an argument falls back on, from ad hominem attacks (“right wing nutjob”, which you clearly aren’t in terms of party or leaning), to the classic strawman to outright obfuscation (10 Reasons Why We Should Attack Canada).

I have tried on numerous occasions to get Ole Windy to face off in a set piece battle, but he has averred (or ignored me entirely).

It’s interesting to note that he brands anyone who disagrees with him as a kook, which is right out of Stalinism 101: Don’t legitimize the statement through dialogue/discourse/argument, rather, discredit or scapegoat your opponent instead.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Partypup: As I’ve mentioned before, Breezie is largely a polemicist. He doesn’t like having to deal with actual facts, and will generally back water when forced to actually debate the facts.

You’re seeing the various responses that someone who doesn’t know how to conduct an argument falls back on, from ad hominem attacks (“right wing nutjob”, which you clearly aren’t in terms of party or leaning), to the classic strawman to outright obfuscation (10 Reasons Why We Should Attack Canada).

I have tried on numerous occasions to get Ole Windy to face off in a set piece battle, but he has averred (or ignored me entirely).

It’s interesting to note that he brands anyone who disagrees with him as a kook, which is right out of Stalinism 101: Don’t legitimize the statement through dialogue/discourse/argument, rather, discredit or scapegoat your opponent instead.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: The more likely and more plausible explanation is that he’s been forced to change his plans and largely because the situation in Iraq has changed so markedly and so quickly.

We’re now looking at a very different situation on the ground there and if you speak with anyone in country, they’ll tell you how far we’ve come and in a short period.

I have friends there and as little as 15 – 18 months ago they considered the war a lost cause. No more. Combat operations in many provinces have largely ceased and most of the US forces are focused on training the Iraqi Army and police forces and restoring order and stability.

The fact that Obama is ABLE to deploy those 18,000 Marines to Afghanistan should not be lost on you. He can do so because they’re NOT NEEDED in Iraq. The question you should ask is why are they not needed in Iraq?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: The more likely and more plausible explanation is that he’s been forced to change his plans and largely because the situation in Iraq has changed so markedly and so quickly.

We’re now looking at a very different situation on the ground there and if you speak with anyone in country, they’ll tell you how far we’ve come and in a short period.

I have friends there and as little as 15 – 18 months ago they considered the war a lost cause. No more. Combat operations in many provinces have largely ceased and most of the US forces are focused on training the Iraqi Army and police forces and restoring order and stability.

The fact that Obama is ABLE to deploy those 18,000 Marines to Afghanistan should not be lost on you. He can do so because they’re NOT NEEDED in Iraq. The question you should ask is why are they not needed in Iraq?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: The more likely and more plausible explanation is that he’s been forced to change his plans and largely because the situation in Iraq has changed so markedly and so quickly.

We’re now looking at a very different situation on the ground there and if you speak with anyone in country, they’ll tell you how far we’ve come and in a short period.

I have friends there and as little as 15 – 18 months ago they considered the war a lost cause. No more. Combat operations in many provinces have largely ceased and most of the US forces are focused on training the Iraqi Army and police forces and restoring order and stability.

The fact that Obama is ABLE to deploy those 18,000 Marines to Afghanistan should not be lost on you. He can do so because they’re NOT NEEDED in Iraq. The question you should ask is why are they not needed in Iraq?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Breeze: The more likely and more plausible explanation is that he’s been forced to change his plans and largely because the situation in Iraq has changed so markedly and so quickly.

We’re now looking at a very different situation on the ground there and if you speak with anyone in country, they’ll tell you how far we’ve come and in a short period.

I have friends there and as little as 15 – 18 months ago they considered the war a lost cause. No more. Combat operations in many provinces have largely ceased and most of the US forces are focused on training the Iraqi Army and police forces and restoring order and stability.

The fact that Obama is ABLE to deploy those 18,000 Marines to Afghanistan should not be lost on you. He can do so because they’re NOT NEEDED in Iraq. The question you should ask is why are they not needed in Iraq?

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