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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantFIH: Except for the fact that, here in California at least, guns are taxed at the time of purchase. This is the same as purchasing a motor vehicle, wherein you pay a tax on the sale.
Also, you have to fill out a BATF Form 4473 prior to purchase. While not a registration per se, it is a document filed every time you purchase a weapon at a licensed dealer.
I’m all for universal background checks. I’m just not too keen on the gubment having a centralized registry. If the revelations about IRS misconduct, NSA snooping and the AP fiasco have shown anything, it’s that the US government isn’t all that deserving of our trust when it comes to our personal information.
ParticipantOCR: Really? We’re treated to a constant flow of nonsensical and remarkably fact-free flow of vitriol from this poster and solely focused on guns. Anyone who disagrees is accused of all sorts of negative behaviors and from someone who appears to read at a grade school level.
Repeated requests to come up with any sort of meaningful argument to support his/her position have either been ignored or met with the sort of gibberish seen above. You can call my response vicious, but I met like with like.
As to something I cherish: Yeah, I’m kinda funny about the Constitution that way. You know, having sacrificed friends for it and all.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=SK in CV]I do drink single malt from a brandy snifter though.[/quote]
Tell me you’re throwing some ice cubes and Diet Dr. Pepper in with that shit![/quote]
Hell no. One of my very few religious beliefs. Ice is satan to good scotch. Anything but neat is blasphemous.[/quote]
SK: Absolutely agree. Single malt and small batch bourbon are among my few remaining vices.
A couple of fingers of Talisker or Balvenie, along with a good cigar, is a great reminder that it is truly the small pleasures that matter.
Participant[quote=SK in CV]I do drink single malt from a brandy snifter though.[/quote]
Tell me you’re throwing some ice cubes and Diet Dr. Pepper in with that shit!
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]Well I tried that Allan and it didn’t work. She still took a sledghammer to my laptop.
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SDR: Your wife, unlike SK’s wife, probably finds it hard to believe you’re in Whole Foods at all, let alone buying artisanal reindeer’s milk cheese from Scandinavia.
I picture SK in a smoking jacket, puffing on a fine Cuban cigar, whilst cradling a brandy snifter, all the while shaking his head at our mendacity.
That’s the kinda guy buying artisanal cheese!
ParticipantKIBU: Did you actually read the study you offered as evidence to support your position? I’m thinking you went out on the interwebs and simply grabbed the first academic looking thing that seemed to support your contention. A careful reading, especially in the middle going, will show the authors’ position is one of “careful reconsideration” regarding the use of HANDGUNS for protection.
You open your post with more hysteria and hyperbole about “proguns” (I’m presuming this hackneyed malapropism refers to those of us in support of the 2nd Amendment) “screaming” in our “self delusional” way. I’m guessing you’re either foreign-born (and English is your second language), or you’re not particularly well educated.
My point, which bears repeating as it is actually supported by real evidence, is that for every isolated Santa Monica-type shooting (and, yes, statistically speaking, they are isolated), there are thousands of instances where firearms (not just HANDGUNS) are used to protect life and property.
You might not like facts, data and evidence, but they are irrefutable. Trotting out a SINGLE STUDY WITH A SMALL DATA SET does not change that. Nor does continuing to use hysterical and hyperbolic language. You, in essence, are engaged in the very behavior you accuse your opponents of.
Again, educate yourself. As the saying goes, One is entitled to one’s own opinion. One is not, however, entitled to one’s own facts.
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]Chill out Allan… roll a couple fatties and then go operate a crane…[/quote]
SDR: I prefer Xanax. That and some nice Enya music.
Participant[quote=KIBU]Yep, the guy got 1300 bullets to protect his life and property alright.[/quote]
KIBU: While I appreciate your ham-handed attempt at sarcasm, you unwittingly make my point for me. You offer a SINGLE DATA POINT to make your argument, but consciously ignore the tens of thousands of data points that refute it.
Based on your writings, you prefer hyperbole and hysteria, and have run and hid versus coming out and arguing using data, logic and facts, but you really should educate yourself before posting.
Unless you enjoy beclowning yourself, of course.
ParticipantNSR: You do know that James Clapper used to work, in a senior capacity, for Booz Allen, right?
Participant[quote=SK in CV]I checked the manual. And then opened up some news site on the intertubes this morning, and up pops an ad. For Honeywell HVAC controls. What-the-F’ity EF EF? How do it know?[/quote]
SK: You need to turn this to your advantage, my friend. Patiently explain to your wife that all those Swedish porn popups are a result of your purchasing that Scandinavian artisanal reindeer’s milk cheese at Whole Foods.
ParticipantDave: That movie should be required viewing in this country. Hilariously funny and incredibly sad, all at the same time.
Of course, having a chopper-riding, machine gun-toting Prez whose name includes “Mountain Dew” would be pretty awesome.
Along with “Monday Night Rehabilitation”.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]
Anyway that’s what paranoid wackos like me believe,
so am I a wacko ? just saying.[/quote]“Even paranoids have enemies.”
“Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.”
ParticipantCAR: Stop. No one on this thread is interested in the thousands upon thousands of reported cases where firearms are used to protect life and property.
Instead, the “argument”, as it were, is simply “Guns = Bad”. It’s an easy to understand memetic, for those who don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
ParticipantFIH: When I was in the Army, I spent time in the 82d Airborne. The 82d, when I was in, was responsible for training for scenarios involving widespread civil unrest, rioting, etc, and one of the questions you were asked, was if you were able to fire on American citizens, if so ordered.
The US Army and Marines have “zombie invasion” training scenarios, so named because it’s far more palatable than telling those young soldiers and Marines that what they’re really training for is what happens if the shit hits the fan domestically and there is widespread civil unrest, including rioting.
If you watched Boston PD, the Staties and the FBI conducting house-to-house searches in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings and then juxtaposed that with videos of US soldiers and Marines conducting clearing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, you’d be hard-pressed to tell the difference, given that the weapons and tactics are nearly identical. Thanks to the billions that DHS has pumped into local and state law enforcement, we’ve now effectively militarized our police, with predictable results, including officers in Boston toting fully automatic M-4 rifles and screaming at residents to get out of their houses without showing any due cause for such an order.
I’m sure you’ve been paying attention to the news this week, as revelation after revelation has spilled forth about government eavesdropping and spying programs. This reportage isn’t coming from the tinfoil hat brigade, but, rather, the Washington Post, the NYT and The Guardian.
Now, I’m sure all of this falls under the rubric of “Keeping America Safe”, as Miz Feinstein gravely intoned, but you’ll forgive me if I view this with just a bit of skepticism and not fall all over myself in my haste to be a “Good German”.
Do I worry about approaching tyranny? No. It’s already here.
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