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Participant[quote=faterikcartman]
Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.
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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.[quote=faterikcartman]
Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
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Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
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I was responding to this.[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_MexicoParticipant[quote=faterikcartman]
Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.
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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.[quote=faterikcartman]
Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
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Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
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I was responding to this.[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_MexicoParticipant[quote=faterikcartman]
Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.
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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.[quote=faterikcartman]
Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
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Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
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I was responding to this.[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_MexicoParticipant[quote=faterikcartman]
Ah yes, just like banning drugs keeps them out of the hands of users.
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Not really. Drugs and guns are consumed in different ways.[quote=faterikcartman]
Japan is to a large extent a closed society even today. It does not have a porous border it shares with anyone. It has a fairly homogeneous culture and ethnic makeup. It’s police and justice system is quite different from our own. The Japanese have a more limited history of freedom.
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Hence my example of Germany, a country with a porous border and large immigration population.[quote=faterikcartman]
Regarding Mexico, your statement is completely misleading. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16970014?source=rss%5B/quote%5D
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I was responding to this.[quote=CONCHO]
I think firearms should be illegal here just like in Mexico. Then we will be able to enjoy the same high levels of safety that the Mexican people have.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_MexicoParticipant[quote=Djshakes]
In regards to you not having time to go for your gun when a criminal attacks you, fine. However, the bystander can go for his. You think he is going to help if he doesn’t have a gun?
As a criminal would you rather have a gun or take a chance using a knife because you know the home owner doesn’t own a gun? All your points are stupid assumptions. A criminal wants to get in and out as fast as he can in the most effective way.[/quote]
Here is a gun control success story.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo.[25] Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000.[26] The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan.[27] The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.[28]Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan’s robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
Germany has fairly strict in US terms, but relatively common gun law by European standards. Its population is more than 1/4 of US population.
Murders with firearms are 3% of US number.
Prisoner population is 3.5% of that in US.
Rapes – 9% of US #.
Robberies – 14%.
Car theft – 7%.But it does have higher software privacy rate.
Now you show me a modern western democracy with stricter gun laws and higher crime rate than the U.S.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
In regards to you not having time to go for your gun when a criminal attacks you, fine. However, the bystander can go for his. You think he is going to help if he doesn’t have a gun?
As a criminal would you rather have a gun or take a chance using a knife because you know the home owner doesn’t own a gun? All your points are stupid assumptions. A criminal wants to get in and out as fast as he can in the most effective way.[/quote]
Here is a gun control success story.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo.[25] Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000.[26] The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan.[27] The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.[28]Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan’s robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
Germany has fairly strict in US terms, but relatively common gun law by European standards. Its population is more than 1/4 of US population.
Murders with firearms are 3% of US number.
Prisoner population is 3.5% of that in US.
Rapes – 9% of US #.
Robberies – 14%.
Car theft – 7%.But it does have higher software privacy rate.
Now you show me a modern western democracy with stricter gun laws and higher crime rate than the U.S.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
In regards to you not having time to go for your gun when a criminal attacks you, fine. However, the bystander can go for his. You think he is going to help if he doesn’t have a gun?
As a criminal would you rather have a gun or take a chance using a knife because you know the home owner doesn’t own a gun? All your points are stupid assumptions. A criminal wants to get in and out as fast as he can in the most effective way.[/quote]
Here is a gun control success story.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo.[25] Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000.[26] The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan.[27] The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.[28]Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan’s robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
Germany has fairly strict in US terms, but relatively common gun law by European standards. Its population is more than 1/4 of US population.
Murders with firearms are 3% of US number.
Prisoner population is 3.5% of that in US.
Rapes – 9% of US #.
Robberies – 14%.
Car theft – 7%.But it does have higher software privacy rate.
Now you show me a modern western democracy with stricter gun laws and higher crime rate than the U.S.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
In regards to you not having time to go for your gun when a criminal attacks you, fine. However, the bystander can go for his. You think he is going to help if he doesn’t have a gun?
As a criminal would you rather have a gun or take a chance using a knife because you know the home owner doesn’t own a gun? All your points are stupid assumptions. A criminal wants to get in and out as fast as he can in the most effective way.[/quote]
Here is a gun control success story.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo.[25] Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000.[26] The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan.[27] The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.[28]Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan’s robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
Germany has fairly strict in US terms, but relatively common gun law by European standards. Its population is more than 1/4 of US population.
Murders with firearms are 3% of US number.
Prisoner population is 3.5% of that in US.
Rapes – 9% of US #.
Robberies – 14%.
Car theft – 7%.But it does have higher software privacy rate.
Now you show me a modern western democracy with stricter gun laws and higher crime rate than the U.S.
Participant[quote=Djshakes]
In regards to you not having time to go for your gun when a criminal attacks you, fine. However, the bystander can go for his. You think he is going to help if he doesn’t have a gun?
As a criminal would you rather have a gun or take a chance using a knife because you know the home owner doesn’t own a gun? All your points are stupid assumptions. A criminal wants to get in and out as fast as he can in the most effective way.[/quote]
Here is a gun control success story.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/japanese_gun_control.htm
Tokyo is the safest major city in the world. Only 59,000 licensed gun owners live in Tokyo.[25] Per one million inhabitants, Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year; New York has 11,000.[26] The handgun murder rate is at least 200 times higher in America than Japan.[27] The official homicide rate in Japan in 1988 was 1.2 homicide cases per 100,000 population, while in America it was 8.4 homocide cases per 100,000.[28]Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan’s robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
Germany has fairly strict in US terms, but relatively common gun law by European standards. Its population is more than 1/4 of US population.
Murders with firearms are 3% of US number.
Prisoner population is 3.5% of that in US.
Rapes – 9% of US #.
Robberies – 14%.
Car theft – 7%.But it does have higher software privacy rate.
Now you show me a modern western democracy with stricter gun laws and higher crime rate than the U.S.
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”[/quote]
My point was that an ordinary person most likely wont have access to the weapon when its most needed. You either don’t carry it around, or you carry it in a way that makes it more dangerous to confront than to obey the attacker.
And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting.
I knew people who got killed because they tried to use guns they had.
Criminals would be less likely to own a firearm if access was not that easy.
Personally, I would not object to a Japan-style gun control. I understand that it won’t happen due to NRA. Regarding Mexico – it is not illegal to own a firearm in Mexico. You just can’t have the kind that is in use by police and military.
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”[/quote]
My point was that an ordinary person most likely wont have access to the weapon when its most needed. You either don’t carry it around, or you carry it in a way that makes it more dangerous to confront than to obey the attacker.
And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting.
I knew people who got killed because they tried to use guns they had.
Criminals would be less likely to own a firearm if access was not that easy.
Personally, I would not object to a Japan-style gun control. I understand that it won’t happen due to NRA. Regarding Mexico – it is not illegal to own a firearm in Mexico. You just can’t have the kind that is in use by police and military.
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”[/quote]
My point was that an ordinary person most likely wont have access to the weapon when its most needed. You either don’t carry it around, or you carry it in a way that makes it more dangerous to confront than to obey the attacker.
And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting.
I knew people who got killed because they tried to use guns they had.
Criminals would be less likely to own a firearm if access was not that easy.
Personally, I would not object to a Japan-style gun control. I understand that it won’t happen due to NRA. Regarding Mexico – it is not illegal to own a firearm in Mexico. You just can’t have the kind that is in use by police and military.
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”[/quote]
My point was that an ordinary person most likely wont have access to the weapon when its most needed. You either don’t carry it around, or you carry it in a way that makes it more dangerous to confront than to obey the attacker.
And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting.
I knew people who got killed because they tried to use guns they had.
Criminals would be less likely to own a firearm if access was not that easy.
Personally, I would not object to a Japan-style gun control. I understand that it won’t happen due to NRA. Regarding Mexico – it is not illegal to own a firearm in Mexico. You just can’t have the kind that is in use by police and military.
Participant[quote=Djshakes][quote=captcha]As you are leaving a bar where you had a few too many a guy with a gun in his hand approaches you and asks for your wallet. You saw French Connection and you like Gene Hackman, so you carry a gun attached to your ankle. What do you do?
I think easy access to guns makes us *feel* safer. In reality, it makes it easier for crazy people to shoot at congress people in Tuscon or kids around Carlsbad schools.[/quote]
TOTALLY! Because criminals obey guns laws just like all the other laws they are breaking.
We better restrict 99% of the population for the sake of the 1% that could be crazy.
To answer your other question, you give them the wallet. What moron is going to bend down and try to grab a gun with one pointing at him. I know you probably get your political view points from Hollywood but most people live in reality when it comes to situation like this. Do you also think that when someone gets punched it sounds like the movies? “Booom, crack, POW!”[/quote]
My point was that an ordinary person most likely wont have access to the weapon when its most needed. You either don’t carry it around, or you carry it in a way that makes it more dangerous to confront than to obey the attacker.
And if you do have access to your weapon you are more likely to get hurt if you try to use it. If an armed robber is in your house he will run if you start yelling how you have a gun and you called the police. And the robber is more likely to shoot back if you start shooting.
I knew people who got killed because they tried to use guns they had.
Criminals would be less likely to own a firearm if access was not that easy.
Personally, I would not object to a Japan-style gun control. I understand that it won’t happen due to NRA. Regarding Mexico – it is not illegal to own a firearm in Mexico. You just can’t have the kind that is in use by police and military.
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