[aldante]

[quote=PDQ][quote=NeetaT]In my opinion, healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is a service that is priced via supply and demand just like other goods and services. No one will ever agree with me, but I know that if there was no such thing as health insurance, prices for health services would adjust to average income, thus more people could afford it out of pocket. Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Let me guess: You have insurance supplied by your employer and/or you have no health issues, right?

Were you older with heart disease or some other “pre-existing condition” that rendered health insurance unaffordable you might feel differently.

Hopefully when you grow up and have a family you won’t have any children with health problems either. Having to fight for coverage for a child born with a health condition is no fun.

But I’m sure you’re young, buff and vital so that’s no issue for you. Be sure to marry well to someone else who’s young, strong and healthy. And if any of your children appear to be defective while in the womb, just abort them. The “master race” and all.

Oh…did I mention that you couldn’t have any pre-existing conditions like injuries from skiing, or athletic activities? If you work for a small business (and you sound like a big proponent of self-sufficiency and small business) you won’t be able to get coverage for “pre-existing” conditions. That would mean you’d actually have to pay for your own healthcare!!!!

But I’m sure you already know all of that seeing as how you’re an insurance expert[/quote]

Don’t you know that the only reason that the healthcare companies exist in this form is that their near monoploies were created and continue to be protected by Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ignorance on this topic is why we should be taking our time not having this shoved down our throats.

[aldante]

[quote=PDQ][quote=NeetaT]In my opinion, healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is a service that is priced via supply and demand just like other goods and services. No one will ever agree with me, but I know that if there was no such thing as health insurance, prices for health services would adjust to average income, thus more people could afford it out of pocket. Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Let me guess: You have insurance supplied by your employer and/or you have no health issues, right?

Were you older with heart disease or some other “pre-existing condition” that rendered health insurance unaffordable you might feel differently.

Hopefully when you grow up and have a family you won’t have any children with health problems either. Having to fight for coverage for a child born with a health condition is no fun.

But I’m sure you’re young, buff and vital so that’s no issue for you. Be sure to marry well to someone else who’s young, strong and healthy. And if any of your children appear to be defective while in the womb, just abort them. The “master race” and all.

Oh…did I mention that you couldn’t have any pre-existing conditions like injuries from skiing, or athletic activities? If you work for a small business (and you sound like a big proponent of self-sufficiency and small business) you won’t be able to get coverage for “pre-existing” conditions. That would mean you’d actually have to pay for your own healthcare!!!!

But I’m sure you already know all of that seeing as how you’re an insurance expert[/quote]

Don’t you know that the only reason that the healthcare companies exist in this form is that their near monoploies were created and continue to be protected by Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ignorance on this topic is why we should be taking our time not having this shoved down our throats.

[aldante]

[quote=PDQ][quote=NeetaT]In my opinion, healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is a service that is priced via supply and demand just like other goods and services. No one will ever agree with me, but I know that if there was no such thing as health insurance, prices for health services would adjust to average income, thus more people could afford it out of pocket. Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Let me guess: You have insurance supplied by your employer and/or you have no health issues, right?

Were you older with heart disease or some other “pre-existing condition” that rendered health insurance unaffordable you might feel differently.

Hopefully when you grow up and have a family you won’t have any children with health problems either. Having to fight for coverage for a child born with a health condition is no fun.

But I’m sure you’re young, buff and vital so that’s no issue for you. Be sure to marry well to someone else who’s young, strong and healthy. And if any of your children appear to be defective while in the womb, just abort them. The “master race” and all.

Oh…did I mention that you couldn’t have any pre-existing conditions like injuries from skiing, or athletic activities? If you work for a small business (and you sound like a big proponent of self-sufficiency and small business) you won’t be able to get coverage for “pre-existing” conditions. That would mean you’d actually have to pay for your own healthcare!!!!

But I’m sure you already know all of that seeing as how you’re an insurance expert[/quote]

Don’t you know that the only reason that the healthcare companies exist in this form is that their near monoploies were created and continue to be protected by Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ignorance on this topic is why we should be taking our time not having this shoved down our throats.

[aldante]

[The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.

[aldante]

[The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.

[aldante]

[The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.

[aldante]

[The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.

[aldante]

[The teabaggers are just complaining that they lost an election and that the current elected legislators are doing things they don’t like.[/quote]

Not my reason for going to the tea party events……sorry to be outside your understanding.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is in how many zero’s they add to the deficit. The tea party movement (at least the people I know) disagree with either president’s right to govern in the manner that they are governing. One small example is being in war for eight years without a declaration of war. Or being able to invade citizens privacy (‘Patriot Act”) without changing the Constitution. Or how about letting a group of secret elitist (the Fed) throw this economy into fits and starts which has demolished this countrys middle class.

[aldante]

[quote=pri_dk]I’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]

The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.

The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.[/quote]

Look at who is advertising on the MSM – pharmacuticals and health care organizations…..

[aldante]

[quote=pri_dk]I’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]

The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.

The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.[/quote]

Look at who is advertising on the MSM – pharmacuticals and health care organizations…..

[aldante]

[quote=pri_dk]I’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]

The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.

The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.[/quote]

Look at who is advertising on the MSM – pharmacuticals and health care organizations…..

[aldante]

[quote=pri_dk]I’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]

The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.

The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.[/quote]

Look at who is advertising on the MSM – pharmacuticals and health care organizations…..

[aldante]

[quote=pri_dk]I’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]

The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.

The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.[/quote]

Look at who is advertising on the MSM – pharmacuticals and health care organizations…..

[aldante]

Try baselinescenario.com….Simon Johnson and James Kwak have put together something really special….great info that ususally has less bias….a bit over my head sometimes but thought provoking.

[aldante]

Try baselinescenario.com….Simon Johnson and James Kwak have put together something really special….great info that ususally has less bias….a bit over my head sometimes but thought provoking.

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