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Even if this has some iota of truth to it, the incredulity of it is unlikely to do very much, other than pour disdain on it’s perpetrators who will be accused of a last minute “gimmick” aimed at the undecided voter. I doubt many would get this deep into a presidential challenge without having their paper’s in order, but then this is America, as a lot of these obscure posts continually remind one.

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Even if this has some iota of truth to it, the incredulity of it is unlikely to do very much, other than pour disdain on it’s perpetrators who will be accused of a last minute “gimmick” aimed at the undecided voter. I doubt many would get this deep into a presidential challenge without having their paper’s in order, but then this is America, as a lot of these obscure posts continually remind one.

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Even if this has some iota of truth to it, the incredulity of it is unlikely to do very much, other than pour disdain on it’s perpetrators who will be accused of a last minute “gimmick” aimed at the undecided voter. I doubt many would get this deep into a presidential challenge without having their paper’s in order, but then this is America, as a lot of these obscure posts continually remind one.

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Even if this has some iota of truth to it, the incredulity of it is unlikely to do very much, other than pour disdain on it’s perpetrators who will be accused of a last minute “gimmick” aimed at the undecided voter. I doubt many would get this deep into a presidential challenge without having their paper’s in order, but then this is America, as a lot of these obscure posts continually remind one.

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Even if this has some iota of truth to it, the incredulity of it is unlikely to do very much, other than pour disdain on it’s perpetrators who will be accused of a last minute “gimmick” aimed at the undecided voter. I doubt many would get this deep into a presidential challenge without having their paper’s in order, but then this is America, as a lot of these obscure posts continually remind one.

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What I don’t want is Obama at the reigns, spending my hard-earned money, on people that don’t deserve the help, and whatever special interest groups he caters to.

With the Community Reinvestment Act Obama helped poor and minority families get into “affordable” housing Governemnt assistance ala FNM, FMAC.
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Having lived in Europe for many years, I have first hand knowledge of the social security safety net, and there are many problems with it; not least it allows the lazy to live off the industrious, and is a tax burden. However, there will always be unemployed comprising those who either can’t or don’t want to work. Means testing the unwilling is fraught with difficulty and leaves you with a choice of whether you ignore the problem and hope it doesn’t manifest itself into a worse problem like racial tension, crime, or civil unrest, or take a gamble and hope the straddlers aren’t too many in number. Yes, it’s a given that you carry a small percentage of the population, but generally most prefer to work because it pays better.

Failure in public policy is often measured by the outcome of the next election, so it may be Obama wins by default. You may have to put up with his decisions for the next eight years, but I seriously doubt many of us are going to be seriously more worse off than with McCain at the helm. I am happy to be proven wrong.

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[quote=cooprider]

What I don’t want is Obama at the reigns, spending my hard-earned money, on people that don’t deserve the help, and whatever special interest groups he caters to.

With the Community Reinvestment Act Obama helped poor and minority families get into “affordable” housing Governemnt assistance ala FNM, FMAC.
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Having lived in Europe for many years, I have first hand knowledge of the social security safety net, and there are many problems with it; not least it allows the lazy to live off the industrious, and is a tax burden. However, there will always be unemployed comprising those who either can’t or don’t want to work. Means testing the unwilling is fraught with difficulty and leaves you with a choice of whether you ignore the problem and hope it doesn’t manifest itself into a worse problem like racial tension, crime, or civil unrest, or take a gamble and hope the straddlers aren’t too many in number. Yes, it’s a given that you carry a small percentage of the population, but generally most prefer to work because it pays better.

Failure in public policy is often measured by the outcome of the next election, so it may be Obama wins by default. You may have to put up with his decisions for the next eight years, but I seriously doubt many of us are going to be seriously more worse off than with McCain at the helm. I am happy to be proven wrong.

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[quote=cooprider]

What I don’t want is Obama at the reigns, spending my hard-earned money, on people that don’t deserve the help, and whatever special interest groups he caters to.

With the Community Reinvestment Act Obama helped poor and minority families get into “affordable” housing Governemnt assistance ala FNM, FMAC.
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Having lived in Europe for many years, I have first hand knowledge of the social security safety net, and there are many problems with it; not least it allows the lazy to live off the industrious, and is a tax burden. However, there will always be unemployed comprising those who either can’t or don’t want to work. Means testing the unwilling is fraught with difficulty and leaves you with a choice of whether you ignore the problem and hope it doesn’t manifest itself into a worse problem like racial tension, crime, or civil unrest, or take a gamble and hope the straddlers aren’t too many in number. Yes, it’s a given that you carry a small percentage of the population, but generally most prefer to work because it pays better.

Failure in public policy is often measured by the outcome of the next election, so it may be Obama wins by default. You may have to put up with his decisions for the next eight years, but I seriously doubt many of us are going to be seriously more worse off than with McCain at the helm. I am happy to be proven wrong.

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[quote=cooprider]

What I don’t want is Obama at the reigns, spending my hard-earned money, on people that don’t deserve the help, and whatever special interest groups he caters to.

With the Community Reinvestment Act Obama helped poor and minority families get into “affordable” housing Governemnt assistance ala FNM, FMAC.
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Having lived in Europe for many years, I have first hand knowledge of the social security safety net, and there are many problems with it; not least it allows the lazy to live off the industrious, and is a tax burden. However, there will always be unemployed comprising those who either can’t or don’t want to work. Means testing the unwilling is fraught with difficulty and leaves you with a choice of whether you ignore the problem and hope it doesn’t manifest itself into a worse problem like racial tension, crime, or civil unrest, or take a gamble and hope the straddlers aren’t too many in number. Yes, it’s a given that you carry a small percentage of the population, but generally most prefer to work because it pays better.

Failure in public policy is often measured by the outcome of the next election, so it may be Obama wins by default. You may have to put up with his decisions for the next eight years, but I seriously doubt many of us are going to be seriously more worse off than with McCain at the helm. I am happy to be proven wrong.

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[quote=cooprider]

What I don’t want is Obama at the reigns, spending my hard-earned money, on people that don’t deserve the help, and whatever special interest groups he caters to.

With the Community Reinvestment Act Obama helped poor and minority families get into “affordable” housing Governemnt assistance ala FNM, FMAC.
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Having lived in Europe for many years, I have first hand knowledge of the social security safety net, and there are many problems with it; not least it allows the lazy to live off the industrious, and is a tax burden. However, there will always be unemployed comprising those who either can’t or don’t want to work. Means testing the unwilling is fraught with difficulty and leaves you with a choice of whether you ignore the problem and hope it doesn’t manifest itself into a worse problem like racial tension, crime, or civil unrest, or take a gamble and hope the straddlers aren’t too many in number. Yes, it’s a given that you carry a small percentage of the population, but generally most prefer to work because it pays better.

Failure in public policy is often measured by the outcome of the next election, so it may be Obama wins by default. You may have to put up with his decisions for the next eight years, but I seriously doubt many of us are going to be seriously more worse off than with McCain at the helm. I am happy to be proven wrong.

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[quote=cooprider]Good find AN.

qwerty007 – what’s the difference if by raising taxes Obama gives the benefits from that money to people who have done nothing to work for it?
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Firstly, we don’t know that he will raise taxes. He’s going to inherit an enormous problem, and he may find raising taxes in the near term is politically imprudent. Many people feel the markets have failed, as a result of laissez faire economics, and that the few squeezed the many fraudulently, and are putting it down to Republican style economics. I rather doubt there are many people in the US who have first hand experience of socialism, and I would include Obama in that number. Tax is always unfair, and we all hate it, but it has become a necessary evil. How it is apportioned really boils down to your world view, philosophy, and morality. However, in the US I would not cast a vote on this issue as it is tiny in comparison with the really pressing issues, such as the economy, energy, social welfare and health, and global warming. It’s getting closer to that hour when we need to put our selfish differences behind us, and realize that the very real problems over the next twenty years are only going to be solved by consensus building and sacrifice. For all those who toiled hard and resent the enforced charity to those who they feel didn’t, maybe need to swallow the pill. This is not about socialism, or any other idealism. We need a man of the hour, and my guess is as good as yours whether Obama is that man. Let’s hope so because that’s what the odds say.

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[quote=cooprider]Good find AN.

qwerty007 – what’s the difference if by raising taxes Obama gives the benefits from that money to people who have done nothing to work for it?
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Firstly, we don’t know that he will raise taxes. He’s going to inherit an enormous problem, and he may find raising taxes in the near term is politically imprudent. Many people feel the markets have failed, as a result of laissez faire economics, and that the few squeezed the many fraudulently, and are putting it down to Republican style economics. I rather doubt there are many people in the US who have first hand experience of socialism, and I would include Obama in that number. Tax is always unfair, and we all hate it, but it has become a necessary evil. How it is apportioned really boils down to your world view, philosophy, and morality. However, in the US I would not cast a vote on this issue as it is tiny in comparison with the really pressing issues, such as the economy, energy, social welfare and health, and global warming. It’s getting closer to that hour when we need to put our selfish differences behind us, and realize that the very real problems over the next twenty years are only going to be solved by consensus building and sacrifice. For all those who toiled hard and resent the enforced charity to those who they feel didn’t, maybe need to swallow the pill. This is not about socialism, or any other idealism. We need a man of the hour, and my guess is as good as yours whether Obama is that man. Let’s hope so because that’s what the odds say.

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[quote=cooprider]Good find AN.

qwerty007 – what’s the difference if by raising taxes Obama gives the benefits from that money to people who have done nothing to work for it?
[/quote]

Firstly, we don’t know that he will raise taxes. He’s going to inherit an enormous problem, and he may find raising taxes in the near term is politically imprudent. Many people feel the markets have failed, as a result of laissez faire economics, and that the few squeezed the many fraudulently, and are putting it down to Republican style economics. I rather doubt there are many people in the US who have first hand experience of socialism, and I would include Obama in that number. Tax is always unfair, and we all hate it, but it has become a necessary evil. How it is apportioned really boils down to your world view, philosophy, and morality. However, in the US I would not cast a vote on this issue as it is tiny in comparison with the really pressing issues, such as the economy, energy, social welfare and health, and global warming. It’s getting closer to that hour when we need to put our selfish differences behind us, and realize that the very real problems over the next twenty years are only going to be solved by consensus building and sacrifice. For all those who toiled hard and resent the enforced charity to those who they feel didn’t, maybe need to swallow the pill. This is not about socialism, or any other idealism. We need a man of the hour, and my guess is as good as yours whether Obama is that man. Let’s hope so because that’s what the odds say.

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[quote=cooprider]Good find AN.

qwerty007 – what’s the difference if by raising taxes Obama gives the benefits from that money to people who have done nothing to work for it?
[/quote]

Firstly, we don’t know that he will raise taxes. He’s going to inherit an enormous problem, and he may find raising taxes in the near term is politically imprudent. Many people feel the markets have failed, as a result of laissez faire economics, and that the few squeezed the many fraudulently, and are putting it down to Republican style economics. I rather doubt there are many people in the US who have first hand experience of socialism, and I would include Obama in that number. Tax is always unfair, and we all hate it, but it has become a necessary evil. How it is apportioned really boils down to your world view, philosophy, and morality. However, in the US I would not cast a vote on this issue as it is tiny in comparison with the really pressing issues, such as the economy, energy, social welfare and health, and global warming. It’s getting closer to that hour when we need to put our selfish differences behind us, and realize that the very real problems over the next twenty years are only going to be solved by consensus building and sacrifice. For all those who toiled hard and resent the enforced charity to those who they feel didn’t, maybe need to swallow the pill. This is not about socialism, or any other idealism. We need a man of the hour, and my guess is as good as yours whether Obama is that man. Let’s hope so because that’s what the odds say.

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[quote=cooprider]Good find AN.

qwerty007 – what’s the difference if by raising taxes Obama gives the benefits from that money to people who have done nothing to work for it?
[/quote]

Firstly, we don’t know that he will raise taxes. He’s going to inherit an enormous problem, and he may find raising taxes in the near term is politically imprudent. Many people feel the markets have failed, as a result of laissez faire economics, and that the few squeezed the many fraudulently, and are putting it down to Republican style economics. I rather doubt there are many people in the US who have first hand experience of socialism, and I would include Obama in that number. Tax is always unfair, and we all hate it, but it has become a necessary evil. How it is apportioned really boils down to your world view, philosophy, and morality. However, in the US I would not cast a vote on this issue as it is tiny in comparison with the really pressing issues, such as the economy, energy, social welfare and health, and global warming. It’s getting closer to that hour when we need to put our selfish differences behind us, and realize that the very real problems over the next twenty years are only going to be solved by consensus building and sacrifice. For all those who toiled hard and resent the enforced charity to those who they feel didn’t, maybe need to swallow the pill. This is not about socialism, or any other idealism. We need a man of the hour, and my guess is as good as yours whether Obama is that man. Let’s hope so because that’s what the odds say.

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