Off topic “coronavirus”

[Coronita]

lol. so people are sending me video of panic buying at Costco in Bay area and here
Toilet paper out, pasta out, rice out, dinner rolls out, Carmel mountain Costco looks like it was ransacked.

I don’t mind. Costco stock shot up almost $30 today.

[PCinSD]

[quote=Myriad][quote=PCinSD][quote=Myriad]Since the administration cut funding for the CDC, there’s limited testing available and no pandemic response team to counter that there really is a pandemic.[/quote]

Just so there’s no confusion, you 2 are claiming that Trump has caused and/or exacerbated the coronavirus by cutting the CDC budget and elimination of a pandemic response team.

Care to provide a link with the data to support this claim?[/quote]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
I may have gotten ahead of myself on the actual budget cuts. Most of them are proposed by the administration but overruled by Congress.
But in general, the administration has been doing everything in the Executive Branch’s power to attack agencies that are not pro-business/pro-Trump, etc. Actions include not fill positions, when filling positions, adding political appointees with no relevant experience, overruling experts, etc.[/quote]

Huh. Imagine that. Yet you threw it out there as fact. Why is that? Where did you get the info from that made you feel comfortable enough to believe it, and claim it here?

Just curious. Fox News?

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]Trump preciously disbanded the epidemic monitoring groups at NSC in the white house and DHS.[/quote]

Is it your suggestion that Trump has done things that caused the spread of coronavirus?[/quote]

I am saying that Trump has done things that have hampered the US response to the virus. The federal response to the virus is total chaos.

Not allowing Federal scientists and health officials to talk directly to the press without clearance from Pence’s office is very worrisome.[/quote]

Nothing personal, but you’ll need to provide links with the data to prove your assertions. Thanks so much.

[outtamojo]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=spdrun]ucodegen — it would have been shockingly easy for (intelligence agency of choice) to transport a virus like COVID-19 undetected, even into somewhere like China.[/quote]
You are forgetting that China is a surveillance state, with multiple inspection points (checkpoints along the roads) and use of face recognition for tracking people. China also has no equivalent of the US’s 4th Amendment. Your cell phones are even inspected for content and sometimes tracking and spyware end up being installed.[quote=spdrun]
The low lethality would be a feature, not a bug, assuming the goal was to shut down economies, not to cause a massive amount of deaths.[/quote]
It might, however low lethality would make it more of a terror weapon than tactical or strategic. The US has enough experience with working on creating bioweapons that it avoids those that are highly communicable. Highly communicable diseases can not be controlled. They end up killing both sides.
[quote=spdrun]
It’s also apparently stable in feces, urine, and liquid culture medium for 24 hours at room temperature. Sounds like it could have been brought to China in a Snapple or Gatorade bottle…

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
[/quote]
Your reference is for SARS, not COVID-19. A quote on your SARS example.

This would indicate that the virus is more stable than the known human coronaviruses under these conditions.

Which would indicate that most coronaviruses are not as stable as SARS.

China also inspects for ‘Unsanitary Foodstuffs’ on entry, which is banned ref. I would say that faeces and urine would be considered unsanitary foodstuffs. BTW, a liquid container exceeding 2oz is not even allowed on aircraft these days, not even in the US. Even 2 oz containers going onto an aircraft are subject to sample testing. The containers you mentioned are the same size needed to make a reasonably sized bomb containing a compound called HMTD or TATP. These two compounds are part of the reason why there is a 2 oz limit on liquids on an aircraft. ‘Anonymous’ containers are watched these days. Unlike the US, if the Chinese find you transporting such a compound – the result is a bit more fatal to the one transporting than it would be in other countries. They are also more likely to find it ‘in-country’ than the US.
[quote=spdrun]Note that I’m NOT saying that COVID-19 is a bioweapon, just that smuggling a low-lethality weaponized virus into China would have been less difficult than you make it seem.[/quote]
I did not state that it was not impossible to deliver such a weapon, however not as easy as many people think – nor as easy as it would be in the US. Nothing is impossible to the truly dedicated though.[/quote]

The best container would be a human one.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]Trump preciously disbanded the epidemic monitoring groups at NSC in the white house and DHS.[/quote]

Is it your suggestion that Trump has done things that caused the spread of coronavirus?[/quote]

I am saying that Trump has done things that have hampered the US response to the virus. The federal response to the virus is total chaos.

Not allowing Federal scientists and health officials to talk directly to the press without clearance from Pence’s office is very worrisome.[/quote]

Nothing personal, but you’ll need to provide links with the data to prove your assertions. Thanks so much.[/quote]

Certain things are so well documented in the public domain that no citations are needed.

[FlyerInHi]

ucodegen, you’re giving China too much credit for running a dystopian surveillance state. It’s actually very easy to travel in and out of China. They just don’t tolerate critics or political dissidents. Freedom of movement is just like here in USA. The only difference is that residents cannot get social services but at their bonafide hometowns. it’s difficult to change hometown registration.

[Myriad]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=Myriad]
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
I may have gotten ahead of myself on the actual budget cuts. Most of them are proposed by the administration but overruled by Congress.
But in general, the administration has been doing everything in the Executive Branch’s power to attack agencies that are not pro-business/pro-Trump, etc. Actions include not fill positions, when filling positions, adding political appointees with no relevant experience, overruling experts, etc.[/quote]

Huh. Imagine that. Yet you threw it out there as fact. Why is that? Where did you get the info from that made you feel comfortable enough to believe it, and claim it here?

Just curious. Fox News?[/quote]

I take back my earlier statement. The Trump administration did cut funding. Not sure why I couldn’t find it over the weekend.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2
https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-to-scale-back-work-in-dozens-of-foreign-countries-amid-funding-worries-1516398717

I want to government to spend wisely too, but cutting discretionary funds for health isn’t going to do anything for the budget deficit. The biggest spending is in Medicare, SS, and Defense.

[The-Shoveler]

So I went into the Office today, seems every third person is coughing etc..

I am doomed LOL.

[svelte]

My buddy in Tokyo says that rumblings have started about postponing the Olympics…

[FlyerInHi]

Interesting links Myriad

If our president says so then it must be true.

China is working very, very hard,” Trump told reporters at a business roundtable at the US embassy in New Delhi. “I have spoken to President Xi, and they are working very hard. If you know anything about him, I think he will be in pretty good shape. They have had a rough patch, but now it looks like they are getting it more and more under control. I think that is a problem that is going to go away.”

[The-Shoveler]

So I love how L.A. declares a emergency because of coronavirus then says there is no reason to panic, in the next sentence they say they expect more cases and possible community spread LOL.

DON’T PANIC !!

[spdrun]

The emergency declaration is more about funding than about sowing panic.

[The-Shoveler]

DON’T PANIC!!

A worker at LAX contracted coronavirus after screening incoming passengers for the illness.

The Department is tracing the worker’s contacts and colleagues.
The spokesperson told Business Insider that DHS could not confirm whether the worker contracted the virus on the job,
or whether it was a case of community transmission.

There have been no reported cases identified through passenger screening at LAX.

[FlyerInHi]

Trump says the government is very very prepared.

[Coronita]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-05/cdc-expands-testing-more-infections-in-nyc-suburb-virus-update?srnd=premium

Told you the virus can jump from humans back to animals. Someone’s dog just got it.

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