Off topic “coronavirus”

[Anonymous]

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[Coronita]

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Lol. You are making a mockery of me, friend. Carry on!

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]..or maybe it wasn’t from a wild animal after all….maybe it was from a lab….

“Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines

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Rumors now are that the virus came from a US lab and secrets agents brought the virus to China as part of a cover operation to undermine China.
Are we capable of such things?[/quote]
Are you serious that you are approaching it that way? China is largely a closed nation. It is difficult to get anything illicit into there. It would be difficult to bring any weaponized virus into China and then all the way to Wuhan across land (NOTE: it would have to be stored in a temperature controlled manner, in a secured container). Wuhan is not a ‘port of entry’ (land, air or sea ref). On entry to China, your packages are inspected. They are also subject to potential inspection during traveling. Virus/bacteria that the US have worked on, have a death rate of 60% or higher – not the 2% to 3% we are seeing with this one. The US also long ago realized that any weaponized virus or bacteria should NOT be easily communicable – less it ends humanity and the US itself too. While China is rapidly advancing, they are still learning some of the aspects of responsibility when doing this type of research.

If anything along that line might have happened, it could have been loss of containment within one of the Chinese bio-weapon facilities. That would also explain the local Chinese governments behavior in trying to shut down the doctor who was warning people. This is even more significant when considering that after SARS, the response to potential outbreaks was supposed to be more rapid – and the local government was trying to silence a doctor trying to warn of a potential outbreak.

[Myriad]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=Myriad]Since the administration cut funding for the CDC, there’s limited testing available and no pandemic response team to counter that there really is a pandemic.[/quote]

Just so there’s no confusion, you 2 are claiming that Trump has caused and/or exacerbated the coronavirus by cutting the CDC budget and elimination of a pandemic response team.

Care to provide a link with the data to support this claim?[/quote]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
I may have gotten ahead of myself on the actual budget cuts. Most of them are proposed by the administration but overruled by Congress.
But in general, the administration has been doing everything in the Executive Branch’s power to attack agencies that are not pro-business/pro-Trump, etc. Actions include not fill positions, when filling positions, adding political appointees with no relevant experience, overruling experts, etc.

[spdrun]

ucodegen — it would have been shockingly easy for (intelligence agency of choice) to transport a virus like COVID-19 undetected, even into somewhere like China. Infect a human or livestock (if the virus is zoonotic) carrier, bring the carrier into China. People and livestock cross borders every day.

The low lethality would be a feature, not a bug, assuming the goal was to shut down economies, not to cause a massive amount of deaths.

It’s also apparently stable in feces, urine, and liquid culture medium for 24 hours at room temperature. Sounds like it could have been brought to China in a Snapple or Gatorade bottle…

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/

Note that I’m NOT saying that COVID-19 is a bioweapon, just that smuggling a low-lethality weaponized virus into China would have been less difficult than you make it seem.

[Coronita]

Someone from the US intelligence community must have swallowed a small vile of Coronavirus, took a flight to Wuhan and defacated on farm field growing Chinese broccoli, which was eventually digested by someone that didn’t properly wash the vegetable before eatting it. Yup, that must be it.

[spdrun]

Satire aside, I’m not implying it was caused by a bad actor, just that it wouldn’t be difficult for a state entity like North Korea to transport a virus into China.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Satire aside, I’m not implying it was caused by a bad actor, just that it wouldn’t be difficult for a state entity like North Korea to transport a virus into China.[/quote]

Yeah, it would incredibly easy

There is as much credence to a US bioweapon as much a Chinese one.
It depends who you want to believe. BTW, China has not accused the US…. however, even US senator Tom Cotton is peddling a Chinese conspiracy. So is only fair if the Russians and Iranians are accusing the US, even though no high level official has made such statement.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]Trump preciously disbanded the epidemic monitoring groups at NSC in the white house and DHS.[/quote]

Is it your suggestion that Trump has done things that caused the spread of coronavirus?[/quote]

I am saying that Trump has done things that have hampered the US response to the virus. The federal response to the virus is total chaos.

Not allowing Federal scientists and health officials to talk directly to the press without clearance from Pence’s office is very worrisome.

[Coronita]

There always seems to be a fascination about some US conspiracy theory even though there is no basis of this conspiracy theory except it was started by the PRC government over state run media. probably to gaslight the public to deflect blame. Amazing that some people entertain these ideas, I guess arguing for argument sake. amazing people in this country trust the PRC government more so than our own despite overwhelm evidence PRC is a lying sack of shit multiple sources from multiple countries not just the US. Go figure. Move to China, please and stay there.

[FlyerInHi]

A lot of American people believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Alex Jones for example.

Flu, you’re the one who started the conspiracy line. I wouldn’t have brought up the other conspiracy otherwise.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]
Move to China, please and stay there.[/quote]

That’s the traitorous critic fallacy.

[ucodegen]

[quote=spdrun]ucodegen — it would have been shockingly easy for (intelligence agency of choice) to transport a virus like COVID-19 undetected, even into somewhere like China.[/quote]
You are forgetting that China is a surveillance state, with multiple inspection points (checkpoints along the roads) and use of face recognition for tracking people. China also has no equivalent of the US’s 4th Amendment. Your cell phones are even inspected for content and sometimes tracking and spyware end up being installed.[quote=spdrun]
The low lethality would be a feature, not a bug, assuming the goal was to shut down economies, not to cause a massive amount of deaths.[/quote]
It might, however low lethality would make it more of a terror weapon than tactical or strategic. The US has enough experience with working on creating bioweapons that it avoids those that are highly communicable. Highly communicable diseases can not be controlled. They end up killing both sides.
[quote=spdrun]
It’s also apparently stable in feces, urine, and liquid culture medium for 24 hours at room temperature. Sounds like it could have been brought to China in a Snapple or Gatorade bottle…

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/survival_2003_05_04/en/
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Your reference is for SARS, not COVID-19. A quote on your SARS example.

This would indicate that the virus is more stable than the known human coronaviruses under these conditions.

Which would indicate that most coronaviruses are not as stable as SARS.

China also inspects for ‘Unsanitary Foodstuffs’ on entry, which is banned ref. I would say that faeces and urine would be considered unsanitary foodstuffs. BTW, a liquid container exceeding 2oz is not even allowed on aircraft these days, not even in the US. Even 2 oz containers going onto an aircraft are subject to sample testing. The containers you mentioned are the same size needed to make a reasonably sized bomb containing a compound called HMTD or TATP. These two compounds are part of the reason why there is a 2 oz limit on liquids on an aircraft. ‘Anonymous’ containers are watched these days. Unlike the US, if the Chinese find you transporting such a compound – the result is a bit more fatal to the one transporting than it would be in other countries. They are also more likely to find it ‘in-country’ than the US.
[quote=spdrun]Note that I’m NOT saying that COVID-19 is a bioweapon, just that smuggling a low-lethality weaponized virus into China would have been less difficult than you make it seem.[/quote]
I did not state that it was not impossible to deliver such a weapon, however not as easy as many people think – nor as easy as it would be in the US. Nothing is impossible to the truly dedicated though.

[spdrun]

Are there limits on liquids at land points of entry to China? i.e. by train, bus, or car?

[ucodegen]

[quote=spdrun]Are there limits on liquids at land points of entry to China? i.e. by train, bus, or car?[/quote]
Yes – on type, but I can’t yet confirm on volume. The ref I placed was kind of ‘generic’ but it did apply to all points of entry. I also gave a ref showing ports of entry including land and air. I didn’t check the shortest distance/time to epicenter though. You could try illicit entry, but China is a ‘check-your-papers’ at checkpoints type of country, making illicit harder.

You had jokingly mentioned North Korea as introducing the virus. I found it would easier because there is a partial trust between China and North Korea.

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