Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]jpinpb, that’s why i support Walmart. Through private initiative and technology, Walmart is very good at cutting out the middlemen and lowering costs.

Maybe Walmart would get in the health insurance business and open clinics next to the garden centers.

I think the idea is to provide a minimal amount of insurance to everyone.

Companies that want to attract and retain good employees are free to buy the best plans for their employees. Same goes for all individuals.

Nobody is rationing health care. But at least everyone should have a basic “walmart plan”.[/quote]

You have got to be kidding. The only thing walmart is good at is squeezing out the little guy mom/pop stores.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada…..[/quote]

Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada…..[/quote]

Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada…..[/quote]

Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada…..[/quote]

Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada…..[/quote]

Canada does not provide healthcare. It has federally mandated and run health insurance, which is partially funded by each province. Some with direct payments of premiums, some with other fees and taxes. Unlike our VA hospitals, it is NOT socialized medicine. Doctors do not work for the government. The UK is socialized medicine. Not Canada.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Casca]
I am sad that as a family you all can’t get it together to take care of each other.[/quote]
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[quote=Arraya]
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies.[/quote]

Thank you. Can we pleeeeaase stop calling this a healthCARE bill. It is INSURANCE.

While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada, this bill is NOT like what those countries have. People in Canada and Europe are not forced to buy insurance. Sure. They probably pay for it through taxes. BUT, they are not paying an insurance company! Insurance companies are private business entities for PROFIT.

This just frustrates the hell out of me. That’s what should be discussed, how we have a middleman (insurance companies) assisted by our government to enforce purchase so they can provide healthcare. We won’t even address what kind of healthcare you will get. That’s a whole other issue.[/quote]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Casca]
I am sad that as a family you all can’t get it together to take care of each other.[/quote]
X2

[quote=Arraya]
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies.[/quote]

Thank you. Can we pleeeeaase stop calling this a healthCARE bill. It is INSURANCE.

While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada, this bill is NOT like what those countries have. People in Canada and Europe are not forced to buy insurance. Sure. They probably pay for it through taxes. BUT, they are not paying an insurance company! Insurance companies are private business entities for PROFIT.

This just frustrates the hell out of me. That’s what should be discussed, how we have a middleman (insurance companies) assisted by our government to enforce purchase so they can provide healthcare. We won’t even address what kind of healthcare you will get. That’s a whole other issue.[/quote]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Casca]
I am sad that as a family you all can’t get it together to take care of each other.[/quote]
X2

[quote=Arraya]
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies.[/quote]

Thank you. Can we pleeeeaase stop calling this a healthCARE bill. It is INSURANCE.

While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada, this bill is NOT like what those countries have. People in Canada and Europe are not forced to buy insurance. Sure. They probably pay for it through taxes. BUT, they are not paying an insurance company! Insurance companies are private business entities for PROFIT.

This just frustrates the hell out of me. That’s what should be discussed, how we have a middleman (insurance companies) assisted by our government to enforce purchase so they can provide healthcare. We won’t even address what kind of healthcare you will get. That’s a whole other issue.[/quote]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Casca]
I am sad that as a family you all can’t get it together to take care of each other.[/quote]
X2

[quote=Arraya]
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies.[/quote]

Thank you. Can we pleeeeaase stop calling this a healthCARE bill. It is INSURANCE.

While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada, this bill is NOT like what those countries have. People in Canada and Europe are not forced to buy insurance. Sure. They probably pay for it through taxes. BUT, they are not paying an insurance company! Insurance companies are private business entities for PROFIT.

This just frustrates the hell out of me. That’s what should be discussed, how we have a middleman (insurance companies) assisted by our government to enforce purchase so they can provide healthcare. We won’t even address what kind of healthcare you will get. That’s a whole other issue.[/quote]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=Casca]
I am sad that as a family you all can’t get it together to take care of each other.[/quote]
X2

[quote=Arraya]
This bill is not about fiscal responsibility or the common good. The bill is about increasing corporate profit at taxpayer expense. It is the health care industry’s version of the Wall Street bailout. It lavishes hundreds of billions in government subsidies on insurance and drug companies.[/quote]

Thank you. Can we pleeeeaase stop calling this a healthCARE bill. It is INSURANCE.

While ideally this country should provide healthCARE for its citizens, as they do in Europe or Canada, this bill is NOT like what those countries have. People in Canada and Europe are not forced to buy insurance. Sure. They probably pay for it through taxes. BUT, they are not paying an insurance company! Insurance companies are private business entities for PROFIT.

This just frustrates the hell out of me. That’s what should be discussed, how we have a middleman (insurance companies) assisted by our government to enforce purchase so they can provide healthcare. We won’t even address what kind of healthcare you will get. That’s a whole other issue.[/quote]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

[Anonymous]

You may want to keep some of the “tea Baggers ” here to help you pay for our new bill. Keep in mind Obama ran his campaign on change- and much like the previous presidents all he done is change how much and where our taxes will go.

You didn’t win anything except- well more new taxes-unless of course you’re not working- then you’re right you’ve won free health-insurance.

[Anonymous]

You may want to keep some of the “tea Baggers ” here to help you pay for our new bill. Keep in mind Obama ran his campaign on change- and much like the previous presidents all he done is change how much and where our taxes will go.

You didn’t win anything except- well more new taxes-unless of course you’re not working- then you’re right you’ve won free health-insurance.

[Anonymous]

You may want to keep some of the “tea Baggers ” here to help you pay for our new bill. Keep in mind Obama ran his campaign on change- and much like the previous presidents all he done is change how much and where our taxes will go.

You didn’t win anything except- well more new taxes-unless of course you’re not working- then you’re right you’ve won free health-insurance.

[Anonymous]

You may want to keep some of the “tea Baggers ” here to help you pay for our new bill. Keep in mind Obama ran his campaign on change- and much like the previous presidents all he done is change how much and where our taxes will go.

You didn’t win anything except- well more new taxes-unless of course you’re not working- then you’re right you’ve won free health-insurance.

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