Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[SK in CV]

Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.

[Coronita]

[quote=air_ogi][quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
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It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
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There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.[/quote]

What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?

[Coronita]

[quote=air_ogi][quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.[/quote]

What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?

[Coronita]

[quote=air_ogi][quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.[/quote]

What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?

[Coronita]

[quote=air_ogi][quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.[/quote]

What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?

[Coronita]

[quote=air_ogi][quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.[/quote]

What about mal-practice lawsuits and mal-practice insurance. It’s pretty expensive. Are there finally caps on this?

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.[/quote]

Where’s your data? Doctors reserve to right to refuse treatment for uninsured unless they are hospital/er docs, which then pay them differently from state/fed etc, my understanding. Not sure I understand if doc’s get squeezed with lower fees/etc, if they would necessarily benefit from it.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.[/quote]

Where’s your data? Doctors reserve to right to refuse treatment for uninsured unless they are hospital/er docs, which then pay them differently from state/fed etc, my understanding. Not sure I understand if doc’s get squeezed with lower fees/etc, if they would necessarily benefit from it.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.[/quote]

Where’s your data? Doctors reserve to right to refuse treatment for uninsured unless they are hospital/er docs, which then pay them differently from state/fed etc, my understanding. Not sure I understand if doc’s get squeezed with lower fees/etc, if they would necessarily benefit from it.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.[/quote]

Where’s your data? Doctors reserve to right to refuse treatment for uninsured unless they are hospital/er docs, which then pay them differently from state/fed etc, my understanding. Not sure I understand if doc’s get squeezed with lower fees/etc, if they would necessarily benefit from it.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]Doctors whine about not being paid enough. All the time. For many of them, their favorite pastime is whining about taxes. Though having worked as a tax advisor to scores of them, very few had a clue what they were talking about.

They whined like crazy about medicare almost 50 years ago. But medicare began meteoric rise in physicians’ incomes. It created wednesday golf day. It helped do away with house calls.

In fairness, for most specialties, their incomes have remained stagnant or declined over the last 20 years, and they don’t play golf on wednesdays as often as they used to. They work harder and different than they did 20 years ago.

My prediction, they (along with other allied health care providers) will be the single largest beneficiary of this bill, behind the currently uninsured. A bigger beneficiary than insurance companies. A bigger beneficiary than pharmaceutical companies. And a bigger beneficiary than hospitals. They won’t get paid more for each service. But they will have lots more paying patients.[/quote]

Where’s your data? Doctors reserve to right to refuse treatment for uninsured unless they are hospital/er docs, which then pay them differently from state/fed etc, my understanding. Not sure I understand if doc’s get squeezed with lower fees/etc, if they would necessarily benefit from it.

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.
[/quote]

That sounds like my previous PCP…I never got to see the doc, just an RN…Misdiagnosed my health issue, several times…Glad I didn’t die of it. 🙁

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.
[/quote]

That sounds like my previous PCP…I never got to see the doc, just an RN…Misdiagnosed my health issue, several times…Glad I didn’t die of it. 🙁

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.
[/quote]

That sounds like my previous PCP…I never got to see the doc, just an RN…Misdiagnosed my health issue, several times…Glad I didn’t die of it. 🙁

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.
[/quote]

That sounds like my previous PCP…I never got to see the doc, just an RN…Misdiagnosed my health issue, several times…Glad I didn’t die of it. 🙁

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