Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[citydweller]

I’m cautiously optimistic about the passage of this bill. My hope is that, if insurance companies can no longer drop people who get sick, they will realize it is in their best interest to focus their attention on how to keep people healthy.

They could become a pretty loud voice in the lobbying efforts to keep junk food out of schools, encouraging mothers to breast feed, creating walking and biking paths in neighborhoods, etc. They could also get behind the efforts to clean up our air, thus reducing the incidence of asthma.

[air_ogi]

[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]

Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.

[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]

The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.

[air_ogi]

[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]

Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.

[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]

The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.

[air_ogi]

[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]

Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.

[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]

The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.

[air_ogi]

[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]

Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.

[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]

The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.

[air_ogi]

[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]

Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.

[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]

The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.

[UCGal]

David Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.

[UCGal]

David Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.

[UCGal]

David Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.

[UCGal]

David Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.

[UCGal]

David Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.

[GoUSC]

[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]

Yes, well said.

How much more debate should we have?[/quote]

Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.

[GoUSC]

[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]

Yes, well said.

How much more debate should we have?[/quote]

Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.

[GoUSC]

[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]

Yes, well said.

How much more debate should we have?[/quote]

Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.

[GoUSC]

[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]

Yes, well said.

How much more debate should we have?[/quote]

Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.

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