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March 22, 2010 at 11:14 AM #529817March 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM #528900
air_ogi
Participant[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.
[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.
March 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM #529031air_ogi
Participant[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.
[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.
March 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM #529479air_ogi
Participant[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.
[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.
March 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM #529578air_ogi
Participant[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.
[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.
March 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM #529837air_ogi
Participant[quote=ucodegen]
I was trying to avoid being inflammatory. There are actually 2 possibilities. One is your example of “Everything will be provided for, but nothing will be available.” and the other of being taxed to death to maintain status-quo in the current care level.
[/quote]Switzerland, which has a system the most similar to the proposed reform, has neither one of those problems.
[quote=ucodegen]
And/or a constitutional challenge. The end run that was done to pass it, contradicts constitutional provisions to prevent “abuse of majority”. The ability to filibuster provides a mechanism to prevent “abuse of majority”.
[/quote]The Senate bill, that contains 99.9% of the reform, had 60 votes in the Senate and majority in the house. The only thing you can argue about is reconsilation fixes.
March 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM #528910UCGal
ParticipantDavid Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.
March 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM #529041UCGal
ParticipantDavid Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.
March 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM #529489UCGal
ParticipantDavid Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.
March 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM #529588UCGal
ParticipantDavid Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.
March 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM #529847UCGal
ParticipantDavid Frum’s take on the passage of the bill.
(Frum was a speechwriter for Bush)http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
For the ultra conservatives decrying this bill – it’s an eye opening read.
March 22, 2010 at 11:31 AM #528920GoUSC
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]
Yes, well said.
How much more debate should we have?[/quote]
Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.
March 22, 2010 at 11:31 AM #529051GoUSC
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]
Yes, well said.
How much more debate should we have?[/quote]
Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.
March 22, 2010 at 11:31 AM #529499GoUSC
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]
Yes, well said.
How much more debate should we have?[/quote]
Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.
March 22, 2010 at 11:31 AM #529598GoUSC
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=air_ogi]Rushed into passage? It took more than a year to get the bill passed. How much time do you need?[/quote]
Yes, well said.
How much more debate should we have?[/quote]
Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.
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