The Forgotten Man

[CA renter]

Agree with esmith on this one.

Those who have the wealth control the flow of money, period. Of course, they want even greater amounts of money to flow to them. They don’t care what happens to the people who give this money to them (employees who make less so the execs can make more, via busted unions; customers who overpay so their vendors can make more, via monopolies & patent protection; taxpayers who pay for corporate/executive welfare, via tax credits and incentives and limited liability — see bailouts, etc.).

And you can’t convince me that the “rich” make poor people wealthier by “investing” thier wealth. They do not intend to GIVE this money to start-ups or other businesses. They want all of it back, plus interest/dividends/cap gains. IOW, the goal is to take money **out** of the system every time they invest. Someone else now owes them the same amount plus interest, and that debt service pulls money from future economic activities.

As long as we have a debt-based monetary system, there is no “trickle-down”. Credit = debt PLUS interest. Only the creditor wins. And money is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands until we reach a point where the lower classes can no longer service their debt, and we get a deflationary depression. At some point, the money is redistributed and the economy (and credit cycle) can grow once the economy has hit bottom.

Wealth disparity is a bad thing.

Full disclosure: I’m a market speculator/investor and 100% of my income is from investments. What I’m saying does NOT benefit me, but somebody has to be honest about it (Warren Buffett seems to have similar beliefs). I think it is entirely immoral and unethical that my income should be taxed at a lower rate than income that is earned via labor.

[Ex-SD]

4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!!

[Ex-SD]

4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!!

[Ex-SD]

4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!!

[Ex-SD]

4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!!

[Ex-SD]

4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!!

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Ex-SD]4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!! [/quote]

I hear ya’ brother! No doubt you would have been just as successful in Russia or China. All your success is because of YOUR efforts and people like YOU shouldn’t have to pay any taxes because YOU are so special.

Now you just have to convince the other 99% of Americans who make less than you to lower your taxes after they’ve seen the very rich rape the system for the last 8 years. It should be an easy sell.

Edited to add:By the way, if you make less than the top 1% (approximately $250K per year), then you don’t have anything to worry about under either McCain’s or Obama’s proposed tax plans as folks who make less than $250K will not see their taxes raised under either new administration’s plans. It’s only the super-rich like FLU who should fear the Obama plan as they will finally have to pay their fair share.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Ex-SD]4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!! [/quote]

I hear ya’ brother! No doubt you would have been just as successful in Russia or China. All your success is because of YOUR efforts and people like YOU shouldn’t have to pay any taxes because YOU are so special.

Now you just have to convince the other 99% of Americans who make less than you to lower your taxes after they’ve seen the very rich rape the system for the last 8 years. It should be an easy sell.

Edited to add:By the way, if you make less than the top 1% (approximately $250K per year), then you don’t have anything to worry about under either McCain’s or Obama’s proposed tax plans as folks who make less than $250K will not see their taxes raised under either new administration’s plans. It’s only the super-rich like FLU who should fear the Obama plan as they will finally have to pay their fair share.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Ex-SD]4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!! [/quote]

I hear ya’ brother! No doubt you would have been just as successful in Russia or China. All your success is because of YOUR efforts and people like YOU shouldn’t have to pay any taxes because YOU are so special.

Now you just have to convince the other 99% of Americans who make less than you to lower your taxes after they’ve seen the very rich rape the system for the last 8 years. It should be an easy sell.

Edited to add:By the way, if you make less than the top 1% (approximately $250K per year), then you don’t have anything to worry about under either McCain’s or Obama’s proposed tax plans as folks who make less than $250K will not see their taxes raised under either new administration’s plans. It’s only the super-rich like FLU who should fear the Obama plan as they will finally have to pay their fair share.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Ex-SD]4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!! [/quote]

I hear ya’ brother! No doubt you would have been just as successful in Russia or China. All your success is because of YOUR efforts and people like YOU shouldn’t have to pay any taxes because YOU are so special.

Now you just have to convince the other 99% of Americans who make less than you to lower your taxes after they’ve seen the very rich rape the system for the last 8 years. It should be an easy sell.

Edited to add:By the way, if you make less than the top 1% (approximately $250K per year), then you don’t have anything to worry about under either McCain’s or Obama’s proposed tax plans as folks who make less than $250K will not see their taxes raised under either new administration’s plans. It’s only the super-rich like FLU who should fear the Obama plan as they will finally have to pay their fair share.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=Ex-SD]4plexowner : I’m with you, brother! I started delivering newspapers and TV Guides when I was nine years old. I had a morning, evening 7 Sunday paper route that required me to get up at 4:30 in the morning so I could finish the route and get ready for school. I learned a great work ethic from this experience and the more money I made as an adult, the government was always standing there, wanting more & more for the “ner-do-wells” of America who had NO work ethic and who are always pissing & moaning about how sorry their lives are when the real problem is that they are simply professional victims of their own making. It makes me very angry that the liberals in the government want to punish the people who keep the economy working and reward the bozo’s who only want to take…….and take…………..and take some more…………..and then bitch about how little they have. Screw ’em!! [/quote]

I hear ya’ brother! No doubt you would have been just as successful in Russia or China. All your success is because of YOUR efforts and people like YOU shouldn’t have to pay any taxes because YOU are so special.

Now you just have to convince the other 99% of Americans who make less than you to lower your taxes after they’ve seen the very rich rape the system for the last 8 years. It should be an easy sell.

Edited to add:By the way, if you make less than the top 1% (approximately $250K per year), then you don’t have anything to worry about under either McCain’s or Obama’s proposed tax plans as folks who make less than $250K will not see their taxes raised under either new administration’s plans. It’s only the super-rich like FLU who should fear the Obama plan as they will finally have to pay their fair share.

[Arraya]

Any number of cultural historians have noted the American belief that success is a sign of God’s favor. And over the past couple of decades he has had a downright love fest with the already-rich. So much so that the richest 400 Americans now have more money stashed away that the combined bottom 150 million Americans. Some $1.6 trillion bucks.

This was accomplished by selling off or shipping out ever available asset, from jobs to seaports, smashing usury and anti-monopoly laws, raiding the public coffers and manipulating the medium of exchange and blackmailing the peasantry regarding common needs such as heath care and energy to keep their asses warm — to name a few. The ultimate coup was to convince the entire nation that the well being of the rich, meaning the well being of Wall Street, was indeed the common man’s well being.

So keep on complaining about the greed and avarice of the poor as our country gets destroyed by above. It’s keeps your eyes off the real criminals.

[Arraya]

Any number of cultural historians have noted the American belief that success is a sign of God’s favor. And over the past couple of decades he has had a downright love fest with the already-rich. So much so that the richest 400 Americans now have more money stashed away that the combined bottom 150 million Americans. Some $1.6 trillion bucks.

This was accomplished by selling off or shipping out ever available asset, from jobs to seaports, smashing usury and anti-monopoly laws, raiding the public coffers and manipulating the medium of exchange and blackmailing the peasantry regarding common needs such as heath care and energy to keep their asses warm — to name a few. The ultimate coup was to convince the entire nation that the well being of the rich, meaning the well being of Wall Street, was indeed the common man’s well being.

So keep on complaining about the greed and avarice of the poor as our country gets destroyed by above. It’s keeps your eyes off the real criminals.

[Arraya]

Any number of cultural historians have noted the American belief that success is a sign of God’s favor. And over the past couple of decades he has had a downright love fest with the already-rich. So much so that the richest 400 Americans now have more money stashed away that the combined bottom 150 million Americans. Some $1.6 trillion bucks.

This was accomplished by selling off or shipping out ever available asset, from jobs to seaports, smashing usury and anti-monopoly laws, raiding the public coffers and manipulating the medium of exchange and blackmailing the peasantry regarding common needs such as heath care and energy to keep their asses warm — to name a few. The ultimate coup was to convince the entire nation that the well being of the rich, meaning the well being of Wall Street, was indeed the common man’s well being.

So keep on complaining about the greed and avarice of the poor as our country gets destroyed by above. It’s keeps your eyes off the real criminals.

[Arraya]

Any number of cultural historians have noted the American belief that success is a sign of God’s favor. And over the past couple of decades he has had a downright love fest with the already-rich. So much so that the richest 400 Americans now have more money stashed away that the combined bottom 150 million Americans. Some $1.6 trillion bucks.

This was accomplished by selling off or shipping out ever available asset, from jobs to seaports, smashing usury and anti-monopoly laws, raiding the public coffers and manipulating the medium of exchange and blackmailing the peasantry regarding common needs such as heath care and energy to keep their asses warm — to name a few. The ultimate coup was to convince the entire nation that the well being of the rich, meaning the well being of Wall Street, was indeed the common man’s well being.

So keep on complaining about the greed and avarice of the poor as our country gets destroyed by above. It’s keeps your eyes off the real criminals.

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