Terrorism

[urbanrealtor]

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Ah, but you missed a VERY important part of the quote. Allow me to illustrate:

[quote=surveyor]All muslims are required, per the koran, to wage war against the unbelievers. Luckily, not all muslims are interested in waging war, but they are required to do so per the koran (sic.).[/quote]

The previous statement established that according to the koran, it was required for muslims to wage war against unbelievers. By me stating they are required to do so, it is because it is stated in the koran. Many of the jihadists will tell you that is why they are going to war because they are required to per the koran, as I have “reported.” [/quote]Not at all clear how this makes logical (or even grammatical) sense[quote=surveyor]

Oh, so if I talk about a religion in a negative way, I’m supposed to be a bigot? If I report on what jihadists say about their own koran or if I tell you what the koran says, I’m supposed to be a bigot? Nice try dan.
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Your statement was not that the Jihadists believe these things.
Your statement was that the Koran requires all Muslims to wage war on non-Muslims (remember the “per-the-Koran” circular non-logic above?). Also, you made specific statements about the religious requirements of worshipers. You specifically said that muslims are required to wage war.
That is not a statement criticizing a religion or component thereof (eg: “The concept of confessional redemption implies a lack of self-responsibility”) but instead normative criticism of members of an entire religion (more akin to: “Protestant girls give it up more easily” or “Jews are cheap”). And yeah, that qualifies as bigoted.

[quote=surveyor]

Because I even said not all muslims want to go to war, so there was a distinction between the individuals practicing the religion and the tenets of a religion being practiced by islamofacists.[/quote]No.
See, you said that Muslims are required to wage war. That means that by your logic those not waging war are not fulfilling requirements and are therefore not Muslims or at least not pious. Your distinction piety in with extremism and makes pacifists into non-compliant Muslims. [quote=surveyor]

By trying to portray me as a bigot, you were attempting to stifle debate. [/quote]
Are you kidding?
I love debating bigots like you.
It gives me a rhetorical hard-on.
I honestly hope we can keep this going through the new year.

[quote=surveyor]

And this is your favorite tactic. Instead of debating the facts you throw out “bigot” or “fringe-author”. Your tendency to demonize any who disagree with you instead of debating the facts, that is what makes you a name-caller. That is not a personal attack, such as your calling me a bigot. That is your debating strategy.
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I don’t demonize you.
I just think your bigoted statements should not be treated with kid gloves.
The fact that you have supported this bigotry using authors that are roundly and widely criticized as being way outside the canon of historical academia is honestly rather funny.
[quote=surveyor]
Weak sauce, dan. As always.

Because no matter what you call me, it doesn’t change what the koran says, what the jihadists say, and your inability to debate the facts.[/quote]

While you may take some items as insults or name calling, its not like I am calling you douchebag (regardless of my opinions on that subject).
I am labeling things in a way that is factually defensible.

You really don’t seem to focus on facts.
Your comments seem focused on your own wrong-headed interpretation of the Koran and bolstered by other non-canon, wrong-headed interpretations. EG: You cited a blogger’s opinion piece and dime-store exegesis of what sounded like “Islam for dummies”.

Really, a troll interpreting sacred text and citing a blogger to back it up is pretty thin. I think its a stretch calling that a fact.

If you took a quote from a specific Jihadist and said “look, here is an example of what an extreme component of Islam likes to say and probably believes” that would be a strong and rational statement.
However, that is not what you have done.

Your facts are named ironically.

However, I do find your sauce protein-filled and delicious.

[Arraya]

KS is another preacher, decreeing that all muslims be violent to be true. I’m sure surveyor is happy to have another hate preacher amongst us. Oh, joy to the preachers of hate, KS and Surveyor.

Yes, KS, I am very well aware of most religions in the world and understand that interpretation is NOT universal in anything regarding iron age poetry.

[Arraya]

KS is another preacher, decreeing that all muslims be violent to be true. I’m sure surveyor is happy to have another hate preacher amongst us. Oh, joy to the preachers of hate, KS and Surveyor.

Yes, KS, I am very well aware of most religions in the world and understand that interpretation is NOT universal in anything regarding iron age poetry.

[Arraya]

KS is another preacher, decreeing that all muslims be violent to be true. I’m sure surveyor is happy to have another hate preacher amongst us. Oh, joy to the preachers of hate, KS and Surveyor.

Yes, KS, I am very well aware of most religions in the world and understand that interpretation is NOT universal in anything regarding iron age poetry.

[Arraya]

KS is another preacher, decreeing that all muslims be violent to be true. I’m sure surveyor is happy to have another hate preacher amongst us. Oh, joy to the preachers of hate, KS and Surveyor.

Yes, KS, I am very well aware of most religions in the world and understand that interpretation is NOT universal in anything regarding iron age poetry.

[Arraya]

KS is another preacher, decreeing that all muslims be violent to be true. I’m sure surveyor is happy to have another hate preacher amongst us. Oh, joy to the preachers of hate, KS and Surveyor.

Yes, KS, I am very well aware of most religions in the world and understand that interpretation is NOT universal in anything regarding iron age poetry.

[KSMountain]

“Islam din wa-dawla” = “Islam is religion and state”.

I’m thinking that worldview is not really compatible with the u.s. constitution, nor with that of many other nations.

And speaking for Temeculaguy, it would be a sad world if bikinis were outlawed.

[KSMountain]

“Islam din wa-dawla” = “Islam is religion and state”.

I’m thinking that worldview is not really compatible with the u.s. constitution, nor with that of many other nations.

And speaking for Temeculaguy, it would be a sad world if bikinis were outlawed.

[KSMountain]

“Islam din wa-dawla” = “Islam is religion and state”.

I’m thinking that worldview is not really compatible with the u.s. constitution, nor with that of many other nations.

And speaking for Temeculaguy, it would be a sad world if bikinis were outlawed.

[KSMountain]

“Islam din wa-dawla” = “Islam is religion and state”.

I’m thinking that worldview is not really compatible with the u.s. constitution, nor with that of many other nations.

And speaking for Temeculaguy, it would be a sad world if bikinis were outlawed.

[KSMountain]

“Islam din wa-dawla” = “Islam is religion and state”.

I’m thinking that worldview is not really compatible with the u.s. constitution, nor with that of many other nations.

And speaking for Temeculaguy, it would be a sad world if bikinis were outlawed.

[KSMountain]

I have never been called a preacher before! That is awesome! Thank you. I can’t wait to tell my wife (seriously).

I did not say all muslims are violent Arraya, and I don’t believe that. I know and love people of many faiths and no faith.

But I did quote someone who wrote “Islam has bloody borders”. And if you research that quote you will find that it is well-substantiated by *fact*, inconvenient and surprising as you may find that.

[KSMountain]

I have never been called a preacher before! That is awesome! Thank you. I can’t wait to tell my wife (seriously).

I did not say all muslims are violent Arraya, and I don’t believe that. I know and love people of many faiths and no faith.

But I did quote someone who wrote “Islam has bloody borders”. And if you research that quote you will find that it is well-substantiated by *fact*, inconvenient and surprising as you may find that.

[KSMountain]

I have never been called a preacher before! That is awesome! Thank you. I can’t wait to tell my wife (seriously).

I did not say all muslims are violent Arraya, and I don’t believe that. I know and love people of many faiths and no faith.

But I did quote someone who wrote “Islam has bloody borders”. And if you research that quote you will find that it is well-substantiated by *fact*, inconvenient and surprising as you may find that.

[KSMountain]

I have never been called a preacher before! That is awesome! Thank you. I can’t wait to tell my wife (seriously).

I did not say all muslims are violent Arraya, and I don’t believe that. I know and love people of many faiths and no faith.

But I did quote someone who wrote “Islam has bloody borders”. And if you research that quote you will find that it is well-substantiated by *fact*, inconvenient and surprising as you may find that.

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