Talked to Thornberg

[cyphire]

As I previously stated, I won’t get into any more religious motifs. I have overstayed my welcome with these comments, it isn’t the forum for them. I won’t change your minds, you wont change mine. Hey lostkitty – I do love the message of jesus – and wish that the people who profess it so strongly actually paid heed to it (it’s pretty sad when I’m a better Christian than GW!) (do you think that was improperly said jg? I meant it in the spirit of what Christianity is supposed to stand for if you eliminate all the dogma, politics, and all the popes for at least 1000 years.

That being said, sorry you are so voracious about not using embryos. The embryos in question are frozen by couples who have used invitro techniques because they couldnt have children naturally. Are you against this? They would also be thrown away if not used. When I die all my body parts will go to anyone that can use them. I’m an organ donor. It makes me happy that my parts could be used to prolong someones life. Why can’t embryos be used the same way? They weren’t created to make experiments, and the vast majority of people polled (was a study this week) who have these embryos which are going to be destroyed think its fine.

Again – you have been taught something in your religion. That life starts with conception and that the moment an egg is fertilized it is a person. As someone with a scientific nature it angers me that when a few cells (literally a tiny mass of cells at the point an embryo is) cannot be used for research to help mankind, when they are being used anyway except for federal funding (the boat has sailed on religion being used to stop all science).

So once again – I get words like gruesome, Nazi-like, etc. because you think that what you were taught is fact. Sorry – from my perspective you are just a misguided person who is standing in the way of progress. It is ultimately up to me for the sake of my children to try and stop the people who are dangerous to our society.

I tried to form this without using any meanness or rants. It’s just my opinion. By the way, there are lots of republican religious folks (not the far right) which back the measure. They don’t consider it Nazi-like nor do they think the world was formed in 7 days and that it is only 8000 years old (or something like that).

[lostkitty]

JustGoofing (jg)-

You wrote:

"Let us Christians be."

Then quit bringing the subject up!  You goofball – quit kidding around already!  : )  Too cute.

[lostkitty]

JustGoofing (jg)-

You wrote:

"Let us Christians be."

Then quit bringing the subject up!  You goofball – quit kidding around already!  : )  Too cute.

[Anonymous]

cyphire, you libs want to use Federal dollars for your misguided experiments. We conservatives want you to use your own dollars for your misguided experiments.

Why must you go to the public trough? If your idea is so promising, you’ll be able to secure private financing for it.

Bush vetoed Federal funding, nothing more. Your silly experiments are legal here in the U.S. Go run amok. Quit asking me and others to support it, though.

[Anonymous]

cyphire, you libs want to use Federal dollars for your misguided experiments. We conservatives want you to use your own dollars for your misguided experiments.

Why must you go to the public trough? If your idea is so promising, you’ll be able to secure private financing for it.

Bush vetoed Federal funding, nothing more. Your silly experiments are legal here in the U.S. Go run amok. Quit asking me and others to support it, though.

[what_a_disasta]

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

Thanks for the link to that study jg. That’s fascinating, I always assumed that scientists would be far less religious that the greater population.

I have always wondered why people in the US are so predisposed to religious belief compared with the rest of the developed world. It’s interesting how it crosses all the boundaries of IQ, vocation, class and location. The size of the religious majority is overwhelming here, whilst elsewhere congregations are dwindling.

[what_a_disasta]

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

Thanks for the link to that study jg. That’s fascinating, I always assumed that scientists would be far less religious that the greater population.

I have always wondered why people in the US are so predisposed to religious belief compared with the rest of the developed world. It’s interesting how it crosses all the boundaries of IQ, vocation, class and location. The size of the religious majority is overwhelming here, whilst elsewhere congregations are dwindling.

[PerryChase]

Physicians and scientists say that they are religious because it’s the expedient thing to say. America is a fanatical religious country. In order to belong, and to operate (as physicians operate their businesses) you have to say that you believe in God, any God but in God you must believe.

My dad tells me that the people in his neighborhood ask him to join the church all the time. He once said that he has arthritis and prays at home just to get them out of his hair. Of course, once they hear you’re old with health ailments, they tell you that faith can help ease your pain. But in reality, they try even harder to get you to join the church in hope that when you die you’ll leave them a big legacy.

Now, when the neighbors ask him about church, he tells them he attends services with his children in Los Angeles.

My dad learned NEVER to tell people that he doesn’t believe in God. If you tell people you have faith, then they are ready to move on to other topics. Otherwise, your lack of faith becomes the central issue.

[PerryChase]

Physicians and scientists say that they are religious because it’s the expedient thing to say. America is a fanatical religious country. In order to belong, and to operate (as physicians operate their businesses) you have to say that you believe in God, any God but in God you must believe.

My dad tells me that the people in his neighborhood ask him to join the church all the time. He once said that he has arthritis and prays at home just to get them out of his hair. Of course, once they hear you’re old with health ailments, they tell you that faith can help ease your pain. But in reality, they try even harder to get you to join the church in hope that when you die you’ll leave them a big legacy.

Now, when the neighbors ask him about church, he tells them he attends services with his children in Los Angeles.

My dad learned NEVER to tell people that he doesn’t believe in God. If you tell people you have faith, then they are ready to move on to other topics. Otherwise, your lack of faith becomes the central issue.

[NotCranky]

Religion is the new/old networking tool. A holdover from when the church was the equivalent of government. Religion maintains itself as a branch of government throughout many aspects of world power. Best example is the Vatican.Any historian should see this connection.Why would there be any incentive to dismiss it when you could be hurt socially,politically and economically for doing so, yet there are very little negative consequences for maintaining faith? That same effect carries through all strata of politics and to a lesser degree the business world. The result, phony religious people in all places,political parties, and positions. Add to that the familial associations/pressures and the fact that most people, from any walk of life,are not independent thinker types and you have very little possibility that religion is going to be replaced soon. In fact after the republicans won the white house with a religious platform, it seems the self serving aspect of being religious has made further inroads against higher intelligence/wisdom and even morality.(All lies are immoral)
Best wishes

[NotCranky]

Religion is the new/old networking tool. A holdover from when the church was the equivalent of government. Religion maintains itself as a branch of government throughout many aspects of world power. Best example is the Vatican.Any historian should see this connection.Why would there be any incentive to dismiss it when you could be hurt socially,politically and economically for doing so, yet there are very little negative consequences for maintaining faith? That same effect carries through all strata of politics and to a lesser degree the business world. The result, phony religious people in all places,political parties, and positions. Add to that the familial associations/pressures and the fact that most people, from any walk of life,are not independent thinker types and you have very little possibility that religion is going to be replaced soon. In fact after the republicans won the white house with a religious platform, it seems the self serving aspect of being religious has made further inroads against higher intelligence/wisdom and even morality.(All lies are immoral)
Best wishes

[PerryChase]

Right on, lostkitty. I too hope for the revival of the Renaissance Man.

I went to the Getty Villa with a friend this past Monday. They have wonderful exhibits of Greco-Roman artifacts. There’s a big map of ancient Greece and Turkey on the wall, but only Greece was clearly labeled. A white man and his son had no idea what the area of the Black Sea (Turkey, Romania and Ukraine) were.

I meet so many people, supposedly Christians, who don’t even know the history of Christianity and the history of Judeo Christian values they are so proud of. They just know to show up in Church and sing.

[PerryChase]

Right on, lostkitty. I too hope for the revival of the Renaissance Man.

I went to the Getty Villa with a friend this past Monday. They have wonderful exhibits of Greco-Roman artifacts. There’s a big map of ancient Greece and Turkey on the wall, but only Greece was clearly labeled. A white man and his son had no idea what the area of the Black Sea (Turkey, Romania and Ukraine) were.

I meet so many people, supposedly Christians, who don’t even know the history of Christianity and the history of Judeo Christian values they are so proud of. They just know to show up in Church and sing.

[cyphire]

PerryChase and Rustico… Well said. I am not a politically correct person – I tell people flat out that I am an atheist. People usually don’t know how to deal with that but it doesn’t bother me. I would rather tell the truth then have to lie about it. Your fathers story is very similar to my mother-in-laws. I would venture to say that a lot of people pay lip service to all the dogma – as it doesn’t have a basis in reality and they look at the world as it is, not as they want it to be.

Hey jg… Misguided experiments? Silly experiments? We are talking about basic science. Not ‘go run amok’. Bush has pushed his agenda which is only supported by less then 30% of the people. Probably truly a lot less. There are lots of conservative senators who disagree with him. He had to use a veto (a rare occurance in government) as many Republicans crossed the line to vote with the Dems. Bush has withheld billions of dollars in aid around the world because any program in any country which has abortion as a part of it doesn’t get my tax dollars. He wants them to preach abstinence. Even though again most of the country does not agree with him. Your fairy tale views are hurting our country – and you are in the minority view.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060702/ai_n16528176

The religious right has hijacked our country as Rustico or PerryChase explained. 3 of 4 people in this country do not support him as president. He is left only with people like you. These sick experiments as you call them are supported by the majority of Americans. I wish that Bush had as Christian views on kidnapping, torture, lying, and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Bush never spoke for the country. He frightened people into voting for him. That and a little voter fraud did the rest. It is the job of all Americans to try to push out this culture from our government, and back into peoples homes and churches where it belongs.

[cyphire]

PerryChase and Rustico… Well said. I am not a politically correct person – I tell people flat out that I am an atheist. People usually don’t know how to deal with that but it doesn’t bother me. I would rather tell the truth then have to lie about it. Your fathers story is very similar to my mother-in-laws. I would venture to say that a lot of people pay lip service to all the dogma – as it doesn’t have a basis in reality and they look at the world as it is, not as they want it to be.

Hey jg… Misguided experiments? Silly experiments? We are talking about basic science. Not ‘go run amok’. Bush has pushed his agenda which is only supported by less then 30% of the people. Probably truly a lot less. There are lots of conservative senators who disagree with him. He had to use a veto (a rare occurance in government) as many Republicans crossed the line to vote with the Dems. Bush has withheld billions of dollars in aid around the world because any program in any country which has abortion as a part of it doesn’t get my tax dollars. He wants them to preach abstinence. Even though again most of the country does not agree with him. Your fairy tale views are hurting our country – and you are in the minority view.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060702/ai_n16528176

The religious right has hijacked our country as Rustico or PerryChase explained. 3 of 4 people in this country do not support him as president. He is left only with people like you. These sick experiments as you call them are supported by the majority of Americans. I wish that Bush had as Christian views on kidnapping, torture, lying, and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Bush never spoke for the country. He frightened people into voting for him. That and a little voter fraud did the rest. It is the job of all Americans to try to push out this culture from our government, and back into peoples homes and churches where it belongs.

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