Talked to Thornberg

[Nancy_s soothsayer]

You sir got suckered by the neocon government you voted for who told you that they are for “family values” and “little government spending.” Suckers!

[cyphire]

Surveyor – If the government would step in and do the job training thats great. You talked about my model. My model was for hiring people who were already in the job market, were middle class, and we tweaked their training.

I’m not the government. I don’t hire people from the streets and teach them how to behave in the business world. I don’t teach them job skills. If you don’t spend the money on the infrastructure, then you have a breakdown. We are in breakdown.

You made some reasonable statements that government doesn’t do the job as well as business which has competition and profit pressure. Problem is that business only goes where the easy money is, it doesn’t take on fixing societies ills. That’s governments job. The current administration has the morals of a pit viper. They have squandered our credibility in the world, our money to those who don’t need it, and brought forward a religious agenda which is not just immoral but embarrassing in a modern society.

So the answer isn’t to let government to leave us alone, the answer is to call on government when no one else will step up to the plate.

And jg… What are you talking about? Do you really feel that this administration is anything other than corrupt and morally reprehensible? What statements?

[cyphire]

Surveyor – If the government would step in and do the job training thats great. You talked about my model. My model was for hiring people who were already in the job market, were middle class, and we tweaked their training.

I’m not the government. I don’t hire people from the streets and teach them how to behave in the business world. I don’t teach them job skills. If you don’t spend the money on the infrastructure, then you have a breakdown. We are in breakdown.

You made some reasonable statements that government doesn’t do the job as well as business which has competition and profit pressure. Problem is that business only goes where the easy money is, it doesn’t take on fixing societies ills. That’s governments job. The current administration has the morals of a pit viper. They have squandered our credibility in the world, our money to those who don’t need it, and brought forward a religious agenda which is not just immoral but embarrassing in a modern society.

So the answer isn’t to let government to leave us alone, the answer is to call on government when no one else will step up to the plate.

And jg… What are you talking about? Do you really feel that this administration is anything other than corrupt and morally reprehensible? What statements?

[cyphire]

I agree Nancy. I’ve rewritten this response 6 times. I am so frustrated by that moron president with his ‘values’. His spying, his kidnapping, his warmongering, his lack of values, his belief that Jesus told him to run for president, his low IQ, his embarrassing demeanor, his cabal of fawning sycophants, his long vacations, his lack of reading, his low grades, his off the hook spending, his veto’s to push his religious agenda, his prizing loyalty over competence, his spending 6 years being afraid to give a speech or make an appearance in front of anyone who wasn’t a vetted republican, and the list goes on… and on…

George Bush doesn’t stand for America, he stands for the greedy and the religious right (an immoral and disreputable group if there ever was one).

[cyphire]

I agree Nancy. I’ve rewritten this response 6 times. I am so frustrated by that moron president with his ‘values’. His spying, his kidnapping, his warmongering, his lack of values, his belief that Jesus told him to run for president, his low IQ, his embarrassing demeanor, his cabal of fawning sycophants, his long vacations, his lack of reading, his low grades, his off the hook spending, his veto’s to push his religious agenda, his prizing loyalty over competence, his spending 6 years being afraid to give a speech or make an appearance in front of anyone who wasn’t a vetted republican, and the list goes on… and on…

George Bush doesn’t stand for America, he stands for the greedy and the religious right (an immoral and disreputable group if there ever was one).

[surveyor]

ills

nancy, cyphire – whether the current gov’t is good, corrupt, morally reprehensible, bad, incompetent, visionary, or run by Rich, the problem is that it spends money BADLY and I do not recommend giving it more. It doesn’t matter if Bush/Clinton/Obama ran the gov’t.

(nancy, please note the lack of name-calling in this post. some reciprocity would be appreciated).

[surveyor]

ills

nancy, cyphire – whether the current gov’t is good, corrupt, morally reprehensible, bad, incompetent, visionary, or run by Rich, the problem is that it spends money BADLY and I do not recommend giving it more. It doesn’t matter if Bush/Clinton/Obama ran the gov’t.

(nancy, please note the lack of name-calling in this post. some reciprocity would be appreciated).

[PD]

Nice post surveyor. There is a lot bashing of Republicans here complete with extremist name-calling. These same name callers also display an amazing propensity for ignoring the obvious similarities between those they excoriate and those they support. Obama and Hillary are as corrupt as any other politician. Unfortunately, I think there are few politicians who are truly trustworthy and who will do the right thing despite negative polls. I would like to see a president who was truly dedicated to all Americans. Although I’m sure these same name calling holier than thou folks will disagree, the Democrats haven’t put forward anybody other than the usual sort of politician. Go on calling names and patting yourselves on the back, but you haven’t found anybody who is any better than the guys on the other side.

[PD]

Nice post surveyor. There is a lot bashing of Republicans here complete with extremist name-calling. These same name callers also display an amazing propensity for ignoring the obvious similarities between those they excoriate and those they support. Obama and Hillary are as corrupt as any other politician. Unfortunately, I think there are few politicians who are truly trustworthy and who will do the right thing despite negative polls. I would like to see a president who was truly dedicated to all Americans. Although I’m sure these same name calling holier than thou folks will disagree, the Democrats haven’t put forward anybody other than the usual sort of politician. Go on calling names and patting yourselves on the back, but you haven’t found anybody who is any better than the guys on the other side.

[Anonymous]

Nancy, cyphire and others,

Your vitriolic opinion toward those of us that hold Judeo/Christian values has been well noted and we get the message loud and clear. Sticking to real estate on a real estate forum might be a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Nancy, cyphire and others,

Your vitriolic opinion toward those of us that hold Judeo/Christian values has been well noted and we get the message loud and clear. Sticking to real estate on a real estate forum might be a good idea.

[cyphire]

I used to like Hillary – now I don’t. I think she is a luke warm republican, or at least acts like that to get elected. I also think she is pandering with her faith… She loses points for not only indulging in this fantasy, but pandering to the large uneducated religious contingent she wants for voters.

Obama is an unknown, probably just another politician who craves power at some level…

That being said – why don’t you admit that while they might possibly suck, GW is a cancer. You should be apologizing for backing that horse, or at least take responsibility.

Pretty unfair to compare the two – Bush is a criminal…

Hey – good thing he hasn’t outlawed free speech yet… Oh, I forgot, he’s trying to. I hope someone doesn’t kidnap me and fly me to a prison somewhere to be tortured…. Great Judeo-Christian values!

[cyphire]

I used to like Hillary – now I don’t. I think she is a luke warm republican, or at least acts like that to get elected. I also think she is pandering with her faith… She loses points for not only indulging in this fantasy, but pandering to the large uneducated religious contingent she wants for voters.

Obama is an unknown, probably just another politician who craves power at some level…

That being said – why don’t you admit that while they might possibly suck, GW is a cancer. You should be apologizing for backing that horse, or at least take responsibility.

Pretty unfair to compare the two – Bush is a criminal…

Hey – good thing he hasn’t outlawed free speech yet… Oh, I forgot, he’s trying to. I hope someone doesn’t kidnap me and fly me to a prison somewhere to be tortured…. Great Judeo-Christian values!

[CardiffBaseball]

Maybe it’s because I have always lived on the good side of town, but most of the Christian’s I run across in church aren’t exactly factory workers.

So the religious contingent is uneducated? Tell it to my lawyer, dentist, SDSU business prof, and just about anyone else I see. In fact we often lament the lack of blue-collar working class folks being a part. (not so much here in Cali where you don’t have that class).

Occasionally I see a skilled tradesman or carpenter, but for the most part pretty successful smart people.

[CardiffBaseball]

Maybe it’s because I have always lived on the good side of town, but most of the Christian’s I run across in church aren’t exactly factory workers.

So the religious contingent is uneducated? Tell it to my lawyer, dentist, SDSU business prof, and just about anyone else I see. In fact we often lament the lack of blue-collar working class folks being a part. (not so much here in Cali where you don’t have that class).

Occasionally I see a skilled tradesman or carpenter, but for the most part pretty successful smart people.

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