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December 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM #804514December 15, 2016 at 5:47 PM #804516
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Guest[quote=no_such_reality]
Just for minor clarification, who has been President for the last 7 years, 10 months and 3 weeks and will be President for the next 5 weeks still?[/quote]Just for clarification, what’s your point?
December 16, 2016 at 10:29 AM #804518FlyerInHi
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Just for minor clarification, who has been President for the last 7 years, 10 months and 3 weeks and will be President for the next 5 weeks still?[/quote]
For clarification, after 8 years of Bush neglect, Obama had a pivot to Asia. The US led negotiations to exclude China and create a bloc to comprise 40% of world trade including US, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru.
Those countries, and the Phillipines, are critical to resisting Chinese military expansion in the Pacific because they have legitimate terroririal claims.
The failure of TPP because of Trump is the biggest win for China. A phone call to Taiwan does nothing but rile up the Chinese and provide false hope to Taiwan independence backers.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38060980December 16, 2016 at 4:33 PM #804523scaredyclassic
Participant“fat, drunk (on power) and stupid is no way to go thru life, son.”
December 16, 2016 at 4:49 PM #804526ucodegen
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Trump is probably too ignorant to know the Taiwan implications. If the president of Taiwan (or any other country) calls to congratulate, he’d be like “oh, ok. Put him through”.
Taiwan played him. There is no protocol and few gatekeepers to reach a president-elect.[/quote]
Wrong – I have seen some of the Defense contracts between Taiwan and China. The act tends to put more of an honest face to what has really been going on behind the scenes. By the way, what aircraft (fighters) does Taiwan fly? Who provides their training? (for me, this question is rhetorical – but the answers are kind of revealing).China has been getting pushy with the Spratly Islands, the US has been tip-toe’ing around that too much.
December 16, 2016 at 8:53 PM #804528Guest[quote=ucodegen]
China has been getting pushy with the Spratly Islands, the US has been tip-toe’ing around that too much.[/quote]Tough talkers are so funny….
We don’t have standing to challenge China. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia do. They are only 2 ways to enable them. Do business with them or provide them with weapons. 2 things that Trump doesn’t want to do. Do you think they have incentives to antagonize their biggest trading partner, China?
December 16, 2016 at 11:33 PM #804529Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ucodegen]
China has been getting pushy with the Spratly Islands, the US has been tip-toe’ing around that too much.[/quote]Tough talkers are so funny….
We don’t have standing to challenge China. The Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia do. They are only 2 ways to enable them. Do business with them or provide them with weapons. 2 things that Trump doesn’t want to do. Do you think they have incentives to antagonize their biggest trading partner, China?[/quote]
So you have the opinion that the strongest should be able to take whatever they want within their area of ‘influence’? Those three other nations have standing and brought it to international court. China lost but does not want to be bound by the decision. The Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia don’t stand much of a chance against China in a confrontation.We actually do have standing because the area involved contains international shipping lanes that are used by the United States as well as several other nations. We also have standing because we and all other nations follow a 12 mile rule on maritime borders. Standing does not require trying to lay claim to the area. It may also involve trying to keep the area open for all to use – since it has historically been used that way before China’s invention of ownership.
December 17, 2016 at 7:13 AM #804532GuestInternational courts.
Selectively relevant.
December 17, 2016 at 8:52 AM #804533Guest[quote=ucodegen]
So you have the opinion that the strongest should be able to take whatever they want within their area of ‘influence’? Those three other nations have standing and brought it to international court. China lost but does not want to be bound by the decision. The Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia don’t stand much of a chance against China in a confrontation.We actually do have standing because the area involved contains international shipping lanes that are used by the United States as well as several other nations. We also have standing because we and all other nations follow a 12 mile rule on maritime borders. Standing does not require trying to lay claim to the area. It may also involve trying to keep the area open for all to use – since it has historically been used that way before China’s invention of ownership.[/quote]
Which brings us back to the point that the USA is the world’s policeman who will act unilaterally, at great expense — the very thing that Trump and his folks consistently whine about. Can’t be tough and bitch about cost.
I have a male cousin who claims to be head of the family because he’s eldest. He always gets upset that he’s not consulted. But that not how it works…. The male head of the family is assertive, makes decisions, and lays out his own money to get things done. He doesn’t whine like a baby and expect people to share costs with him.
February 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM #805476GuestRolling on the floor laughing my ass off… China played hard to get and Trump wrote a letter asking her out on a date.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/09/call-me-maybe-president-trump-reaches-out-to-chinas-xi-in-a-letter/?utm_term=.1bb5d14fceb6You know, in decades past, White boys like Trump thought that Asian girls were easy to get. Good luck now; all the desirable ones have doctorates, lunch at Din Tai Fung and shop at Louis Vuitton.
February 10, 2017 at 10:36 AM #805504GuestSo right after the letter, Trump and Xi talk on the phone. It’s not clear who called whom. More like a prearranged phone call.
I still think that when Trump talked to Taiwan, his ego thought “oh, the president of the Republic of China is calling me, how nice.” Either that, or he miscalculated and got nothing for his previous move. And that would make him a bad negotiator.
February 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM #805517zk
ParticipantI actually see this as a good sign.
trump’s position on one-China failed, and he didn’t triple down on his failure like he usually does. I’d rather he be a not-very-good negotiator who can adjust to reality than a hard-nosed negotiator who will follow a failed ploy into a trade war or much worse.
It shows he can back down when he needs to, that he can adjust, and I see that as a good sign. I just hope (although I’m not all that optimistic) that this example of making a reasonable adjustment when things don’t go his way is not an isolated incident.
February 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM #805518Guest[quote=zk]I actually see this as a good sign.
trump’s position on one-China failed, and he didn’t triple down on his failure like he usually does. I’d rather he be a not-very-good negotiator who can adjust to reality than a hard-nosed negotiator who will follow a failed ploy into a trade war or much worse.
It shows he can back down when he needs to, that he can adjust, and I see that as a good sign. I just hope (although I’m not all that optimistic) that this example of making a reasonable adjustment when things don’t go his way is not an isolated incident.[/quote]
I agree… but we need to win. USA! USA! USA!
Problem is that we are not winning in Asia. China is winning and there is no strategy to change that.
The reason we are giving Japan such as lavish welcome is because their Diet actually ratified TPP in December after Trump’s election. With the US pullout, they have egg on their faces.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-ratifies-trans-pacific-partnership-which-trump-has-promised-to-leave-1481273551
Japan is also part of a 16-nation bloc in Asia called the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, or RCEP, which is exploring a trade deal.Still, none of the alternatives have the same attractions as the TPP, which would bring together Japan and its most important ally, the U.S., in a deal that excluded China. Other proposed deals are more narrowly focused on lowering tariffs than the TPP, which also included measures codifying workers’ rights and intellectual-property rights.
What’s more, RCEP is led by China, the region’s biggest economy, which makes Tokyo uneasy.
While Mr. Abe dismissed a refashioned TPP without the U.S. as “meaningless,” some analysts said Tokyo would have to consider that option if Mr. Trump formally pulls the plug on the TPP after his inauguration Jan. 20.
February 11, 2017 at 10:28 AM #805519
svelteParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]”fat, drunk (on power) and stupid is no way to go thru life, son.”[/quote]
Love it! Animal House quote!
Of course, we have to tack on to the end of that statement “but you could end up President that way!”
February 13, 2017 at 12:31 AM #805525GuestLooks like schummer preempted Trump by calling on the US to pressure China to intervene with regard to North Korea.
During the campaign Trump said he would get China to fix it for us very quickly. We are waiting….
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